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01-19-2025 | 08:42 AM
#3001
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I didn't say I was working 9 days/month, I said I am working is 9 of 10 available days on average. I generaly have 17-18 days/month of reserve and I am flying nearly all of them....on reserve. I am not the plug, but I am obviously in the reserve range and there have been no awards in 13 months at this point in to my category. I am a car commuter, generally in range of the SC leash.
I am mostly curious if how much the other reserve pilots are being utilized in my category. Reserve wasn't always this way, but it is challenging now.
I am mostly curious if how much the other reserve pilots are being utilized in my category. Reserve wasn't always this way, but it is challenging now.
01-19-2025 | 08:47 AM
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So this hasn't happen yet, but may in the near future. I will require 30 prospective rest in the next few days after CQ. I don't know if the computer sees this conflict as there is a 9hr rest period assigned after the last training event (day 7), but no 30hr. If a SC were assigned day 8, would you say no to the short call, or wait through the short call period and just refuse if assigned a rotation for 30/168? Basically, how pro-actively should I engage to solve rest required as long as I'm not violating FARs by beginning a FDP?
01-19-2025 | 09:58 AM
#3003
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Scenario 2: you aren't notifed of rest AND you aren't notifed of the SC period. This most likely happens when, after not being notified of rest, scheduling uses what they view as a non-fly day to add an assignment (rotation or SC) that does not require them to call you. But since you never knew of the rest you never knew of the non-fly day thus you never knew you needed to ascertain if scheduling placed an assignment on your schedule. In this case since you are not aware of any assignment your job is simply to wait for scheduling to call you. This will occur when they try to assign you a rotation if they've given you SC or if you don't report for a rotation assignment.
01-19-2025 | 02:23 PM
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So this hasn't happen yet, but may in the near future. I will require 30 prospective rest in the next few days after CQ. I don't know if the computer sees this conflict as there is a 9hr rest period assigned after the last training event (day 7), but no 30hr. If a SC were assigned day 8, would you say no to the short call, or wait through the short call period and just refuse if assigned a rotation for 30/168? Basically, how pro-actively should I engage to solve rest required as long as I'm not violating FARs by beginning a FDP?
The SRH says you must inform schedule NLT three hours from a report of rotation or SC if you're not fit for duty. Use that information as you see fit.
01-20-2025 | 05:37 AM
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Fit for duty and not properly assigned rest are different things. If you become ill at 1 hour prior to SC, then what? Bad sushi etc. Just say I was never notified of a 30 hour rest and calculate the legality. You might be ok for a quick out and back or they may have to assign rest properly, which is not the fault of the pilot. They created the default long call system and they must manage rest accordingly. In the poster's scenario when/if they assign a SC they will notice the rest deficiency.
01-20-2025 | 05:46 AM
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Fit for duty and not properly assigned rest are different things. If you become ill at 1 hour prior to SC, then what? Bad sushi etc. Just say I was never notified of a 30 hour rest and calculate the legality. You might be ok for a quick out and back or they may have to assign rest properly, which is not the fault of the pilot. They created the default long call system and they must manage rest accordingly.
Ya, I get what you're saying and I'm with you. I've gotten quite a few 30 hours off because they didn't properly notify me. But if I don't have a 30 hour rest and not legal to start a SC, then I think I have an obligation to tell them. I guess you're saying you could call them a few minutes prior as well, which I'm not against. This line was the only thing I could find that was close to this situation. It really doesn't matter either way for them because whether you call at 3 hours or 3 minutes, they're not going to be able to get someone else into a SC. But the extra few hours could help you down the line.
01-20-2025 | 06:26 AM
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Ya, I get what you're saying and I'm with you. I've gotten quite a few 30 hours off because they didn't properly notify me. But if I don't have a 30 hour rest and not legal to start a SC, then I think I have an obligation to tell them. I guess you're saying you could call them a few minutes prior as well, which I'm not against. This line was the only thing I could find that was close to this situation. It really doesn't matter either way for them because whether you call at 3 hours or 3 minutes, they're not going to be able to get someone else into a SC. But the extra few hours could help you down the line.
01-20-2025 | 06:53 AM
#3008
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01-20-2025 | 06:59 AM
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The theoretical SC isn't assigned yet and I think they would not be eligible the day prior. I think this is a non issue but the OP is trying to get ahead of the potential issue. I have been assigned SC but wasn't legal (30/168) to fly anything. A RAP is not a flight assignment.
I guess I'm confused at what you're trying to say wrt to the OP, but that's ok, I'm now wondering about your last point. Are you saying that you can start a RAP without 30/168? FAR 117 calls a RAP a duty period. Based on the 117.25 quoted below, I assumed we needed rest to start a RAP. I'd be happy to be wrong, that is often the case.
Before beginning any reserve or flight duty period a flightcrew member must be given at least 30 consecutive hours free from all duty within the past 168 consecutive hour period.
01-20-2025 | 07:01 AM
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No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for any reserve or flight duty period unless the flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty. The 10 hour rest period must provide the flightcrew member with a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity. 117.25(e)
No memntion of 30/168 only 10. Also the flight crew may not accept... that's exactly what they must do, refuse. The flightcrew member is not responsible for the certificate holders actions.
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