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Old 01-01-2025 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I think the differentiator is this:

23.S.5.c (conversion to SC) says “attempted contact by crew scheduling”

23.S.5.d (notification of assignment to open time) says “telephone contact from crew scheduling”.

Apparently “attempted contact” can include CNO, while telephone contact is more explicit that it must come from a live scheduler.
Ill take your word for it, but it definitely appears to be implicit.
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Old 01-01-2025 | 06:34 PM
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Ill take your word for it, but it definitely appears to be implicit.
don’t take his word for it…read it from the DALPA Sched Committee.

Scheduling Alert 24-03: Notification of Short Call Awards/Assignments
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Old 01-01-2025 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
don’t take his word for it…read it from the DALPA Sched Committee.

Scheduling Alert 24-03: Notification of Short Call Awards/Assignments
To add, since they are vetted by the company before publishing, all Scheduling Alerts are also legally binding on the company, and are suitable for quoting to CS, just like the SRH and PWA.
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Old 01-02-2025 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
To add, since they are vetted by the company before publishing, all Scheduling Alerts are also legally binding on the company, and are suitable for quoting to CS, just like the SRH and PWA.
I understand all of this. It’s just a little hard for me to wrap my head around that SAs and SRH, which derive their information from the PWA, claim information that isn’t in the PWA. I’ll believe everyone that they’re binding. I just don’t know how the discrepancy can exist. I guess I’m not making my confusion clear but it’s not worth dragging this on any longer. So on this topic I’m out.
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Old 01-02-2025 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I understand all of this. It’s just a little hard for me to wrap my head around that SAs and SRH, which derive their information from the PWA, claim information that isn’t in the PWA. I’ll believe everyone that they’re binding. I just don’t know how the discrepancy can exist. I guess I’m not making my confusion clear but it’s not worth dragging this on any longer. So on this topic I’m out.


Hey, we're not done dragging this out! I get what you're saying and agree with you on this. I guess it just stems from the fact that sometimes things just don't get clarified enough. Do you remember the ridiculous minor broken bone thing with sick leave? I think that was one of the situations where they had to go back to the negotiators "notes," to clarify. Crazy that they can reference something that the line pilots don't actually get to see.
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Old 01-02-2025 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I understand all of this. It’s just a little hard for me to wrap my head around that SAs and SRH, which derive their information from the PWA, claim information that isn’t in the PWA. I’ll believe everyone that they’re binding. I just don’t know how the discrepancy can exist. I guess I’m not making my confusion clear but it’s not worth dragging this on any longer. So on this topic I’m out.
Sorry, wasn't meaning to appear to pile on. Just adding info for any lurkers, or anyone 'new' who may not go back and read the entire thread. Some truths need to be repeated often for the masses.
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Old 01-02-2025 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I understand all of this. It’s just a little hard for me to wrap my head around that SAs and SRH, which derive their information from the PWA, claim information that isn’t in the PWA. I’ll believe everyone that they’re binding. I just don’t know how the discrepancy can exist. I guess I’m not making my confusion clear but it’s not worth dragging this on any longer. So on this topic I’m out.
Changing PWA language is difficult to do and has significant risks. If you were to change a single sentence, an argument can be made that it would void all past practice and interpretations of the previous language. And then any disagreement on a “new” interpretation would be subject to the grievance process which is heavily slanted in management's favor. It’s much easier and lower risk to agree to supplemental language that the parties agree is binding.
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Old 01-08-2025 | 09:41 AM
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Seeing standby rotations, H prefix, populate for "snowmageddon,' in ATL this Friday. Was researching it (SRH pg 240) and it looks like if you are on reserve and volunteer for a standby rotation (over X days), you'd only recieve premium pay (assuming awarded as a GS) for your deadhead days, not your SC time. This assumes you don't fly on your SC, if you do fly you'd get premium pay for what you fly.

Is that the correct understanding? Doesn't seem like a great deal to me...feel like you should still get ADG if you are sitting SC away from base.
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Old 01-08-2025 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingJ34
Seeing standby rotations, H prefix, populate for "snowmageddon,' in ATL this Friday. Was researching it (SRH pg 240) and it looks like if you are on reserve and volunteer for a standby rotation (over X days), you'd only recieve premium pay (assuming awarded as a GS) for your deadhead days, not your SC time. This assumes you don't fly on your SC, if you do fly you'd get premium pay for what you fly.

Is that the correct understanding? Doesn't seem like a great deal to me...feel like you should still get ADG if you are sitting SC away from base.
REG pilots can pick up too, so it’s a better deal for them. DDH opportunities on both ends of the rotation. Plus if no one picks it up straight the entire rotation can be send out as a GS.
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Old 01-08-2025 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
REG pilots can pick up too, so it’s a better deal for them. DDH opportunities on both ends of the rotation. Plus if no one picks it up straight the entire rotation can be send out as a GS.
totally agree it’s a good deal for REG pilots, especially commuters. Just not seeing an appeal for myself as an inbase (not ATL) RES guy and was wondering if I missed something that makes it a good deal for RES guys.
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