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Old 12-07-2024 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Just to briefly summarize the two points being argued regarding the no-contact provision this week: Contrary to others' opinions, I've been arguing that for an in-base reserve pilot, going no-contact for the first two hours while on short call does not magically eliminate the possibility that a trip will be assigned. This seems to be quite accurate. (Whether it's legal or not, or whether a grievance would result in back pay is another story.) In another case, TED74 argued that the placement of a trip that begins before the expiration of the 2-hour no-contact window while on short call would require scheduling to remove the assignment, which is not correct.

Without minimizing the disconnect between CS's practices and the SRH/PWA, and in light of the reality that this is a fly now grieve later situation, I'll continue along with the premise that a reserve pilot who lives in base choosing to go no-contact for the first two hours of a short call RAP is absolutely not worth doing.
It has been paying dividends for me, so I hope you keep that opinion if you're in my category!
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Old 12-08-2024 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Just to briefly summarize the two points being argued regarding the no-contact provision this week: Contrary to others' opinions, I've been arguing that for an in-base reserve pilot, going no-contact for the first two hours while on short call does not magically eliminate the possibility that a trip will be assigned. This seems to be quite accurate. (Whether it's legal or not, or whether a grievance would result in back pay is another story.) In another case, TED74 argued that the placement of a trip that begins before the expiration of the 2-hour no-contact window while on short call would require scheduling to remove the assignment, which is not correct.

Without minimizing the disconnect between CS's practices and the SRH/PWA, and in light of the reality that this is a fly now grieve later situation, I'll continue along with the premise that a reserve pilot who lives in base choosing to go no-contact for the first two hours of a short call RAP is absolutely not worth doing.
Ted is correct. 23.S.9.b.2.d is very clear that, if you are noncontactable on SC, you can only be given "a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period".

To be clear, if CS assigns such an 'early' report, CS is required to remove this if called. There is no grey area here as to the legality. Whether CS removes it or not is another question (whether though ignorance or willful disregard, they fail to follow the contract on a regular basis), but you cannot face discipline if they don't remove it and you are 'late'. Regardless, once you are within 2 hours to report, you will likely be in a "fly now, grieve later" situation. If CS fails to remove it, you should file an STS, which will get you assignment pay for the A Day. In addition, the company must pay the senior affected pilot. SK and IT (former and current sched committee chairs) have confirmed this several times, in several different ways on FB.

Also recently on FB, there was a report of a pilot who was verified non-contactable, including a note on their schedule, and yet was assigned a trip with a report 5 minutes into that SC. CS even put a second note on their schedule that a voicemail was left. What a ____show!! CS documented thier own incompetence, and I'd be delighted to collect 5:15 pay to come into the CPO to explain how.

You are in rest up until your SC starts. Noncontacable is just that - noncontactable. Be professional, but know your contract. IF you choose to go back to "promptly available" status (by calling CS or checking your schedule on iCrew), that is up to you - and you can choose to do that at any time. So long as there is not an assignment on your scheudle when you do so, it's a no-lose scenario. And if there is an assigment, you'd better be able to make it "as early as 2 hours from the start of the sc period"

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Old 12-08-2024 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Ted is correct. 23.S.9.b.2.d is very clear that, if you are noncontactable on SC, you can only be given "a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period".

To be clear, if CS assigns such an 'early' report, CS is required to remove this if called. There is no grey area here as to the legality. Whether CS removes it or not is another question (whether though ignorance or willful disregard, they fail to follow the contract on a regular basis), but you cannot face discipline if they don't remove it and you are 'late'. Regardless, once you are within 2 hours to report, you will likely be in a "fly now, grieve later" situation. If CS fails to remove it, you should file an STS, which will get you assignment pay for the A Day. In addition, the company must pay the senior affected pilot. SK and IT (former and current sched committee chairs) have confirmed this several times, in several different ways on FB.

Also recently on FB, there was a report of a pilot who was verified non-contactable, including a note on their schedule, and yet was assigned a trip with a report 5 minutes into that SC. CS even put a second note on their schedule that a voicemail was left. What a ____show!! CS documented thier own incompetence, and I'd be delighted to collect 5:15 pay to come into the CPO to explain how.

You are in rest up until your SC starts. Noncontacable is just that - noncontactable. Be professional, but know your contract. IF you choose to go back to "promptly available" status (by calling CS or checking your schedule on iCrew), that is up to you - and you can choose to do that at any time. So long as there is not an assignment on your scheudle when you do so, it's a no-lose scenario. And if there is an assigment, you'd better be able to make it "as early as 2 hours from the start of the sc period"
Golf Clap!!! This needs to be sent out as next Sched Alert until incorporated into next SRH revision!
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Old 12-08-2024 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Hats off to a PWA that management actually follows.
the ATL farts will be so confused.. I’m all for it. I’ll keep forgetting mine at home until they follow the contract
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Old 12-08-2024 | 09:01 AM
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Why are scheduling assigning SC before rotations available to pick up two days ahead?

SC for next day are being assigned before noon and rotations two days ahead at 1pm. It really screwed me up trying to get a YS two days ahead. Ended up getting SC, while a JR pilot got a rotation assigned that I wanted. Yes, I was the senior pilot…

After talking with CS, I weed up doing an Alpa Ticket.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Why are scheduling assigning SC before rotations available to pick up two days ahead?

SC for next day are being assigned before noon and rotations two days ahead at 1pm. It really screwed me up trying to get a YS two days ahead. Ended up getting SC, while a JR pilot got a rotation assigned that I wanted. Yes, I was the senior pilot…

After talking with CS, I weed up doing an Alpa Ticket.
Not sure how an ALPA ticket will do anything for you….

rotations may be assigned starting NO EARLIER THAN 0800 pilot base time for second day coverage. 23.M.2.

short call may be awarded for ANY day of the month but only assigned for next day (NO SOONER THAN 1100 / NLT 1200).
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Old 12-08-2024 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
Not sure how an ALPA ticket will do anything for you….

rotations may be assigned starting NO EARLIER THAN 0800 pilot base time for second day coverage. 23.M.2.

short call may be awarded for ANY day of the month but only assigned for next day (NO SOONER THAN 1100 / NLT 1200).
Because they used to assign all rotations before assign SC. Scheduler told me Alpa and company are “talking about it” which of course is not true.

Maybe because I had a YS for the rotation, that was assigned to someone that had no YS. They assigned SC before noon and Rotations two days after at 1pm. Of course they send everyone to SC and rotations two days ahead to people in LC. Maybe someone local wanted to stay home, while I wanted to work.

I know Rotations go out to LC before SC. But they used to assign every rotation for tomorrow and next day before assigning SC for next day.

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Old 12-08-2024 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Because they used to assign all rotations before assign SC. Scheduler told me Alpa and company are “talking about it” which of course is not true.

Maybe because I had a YS for the rotation, that was assigned to someone that had no YS. They assigned SC before noon and Rotations two days after at 1pm. Of course they send everyone to SC and rotations two days ahead to people in LC. Maybe someone local wanted to stay home, while I wanted to work.

I know Rotations go out to LC before SC. But they used to assign every rotation for tomorrow and next day before assigning SC for next day.
I don’t think the PWA prohibits it and there is no precedent (2019 agreement change to 2-day rotation coverage).
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Old 12-08-2024 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Because they used to assign all rotations before assign SC. Scheduler told me Alpa and company are “talking about it” which of course is not true.

Maybe because I had a YS for the rotation, that was assigned to someone that had no YS. They assigned SC before noon and Rotations two days after at 1pm. Of course they send everyone to SC and rotations two days ahead to people in LC. Maybe someone local wanted to stay home, while I wanted to work.

I know Rotations go out to LC before SC. But they used to assign every rotation for tomorrow and next day before assigning SC for next day.
I think you’re confused. But that also doesn’t mean that CS is doing things right!

Rotations are assigned or awarded two days out any time after 0800E, or when they become known (inside two days out). They have been doing it after 1400E most days because it supposedly improves utilization.

SC can only be awarded two or more days out. It cannot be assigned two days out.

SC assignments are supposedly automated and run at approximately 1200E one day out.

SC cannot prevent you from getting a YS unless the trip appears in OT one day out…but even then your YS should take precedence over a SC assignment.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 11:04 AM
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So, is there a way to see your NC status on previous SC’s other than crew assist or remarks at bottom of schedule? Super secret link? Normally, I do it. But, it seems there isn’t always a remark on the schedule. It looks like it might get overwritten.

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