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Old 12-08-2024 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
I’m in agreement with you on all points except that TED74’s point was that he would not be required to fly the trip. If so assigned, since it is fly now grieve later, you’re flying.
CS should remove any illegal assignment. However, inside of 2 hours to report, they are likely to invoke “fly now, grieve later”.

Originally Posted by Thruster
Now I'm confused. You said you cannot be disciplined for 'late' and then you said you must be there "as early as 2 hours from start of SC" if you make yourself "promptly available" at minute 1 of SC.

Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.

CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).

I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.

CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.

Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
If you are local and avail yourself of NC status, one of 2 things will be true when you check your iCrew schedule/call them, in this case at 1801.

1. There is no trip present, in which case you are back to “promptly available” and all its protections, to include that CS must call you with an assignment.

2. There is an illegal report present for 1930, in which case you call to tell them it’s illegal, probably be told “fly now, grieve later”, and collect the dough. But in this case, you’d better be able to report “as early as 2 hours from start of SC” (plus maybe an extra 10-15ish minutes to get to the gate). In this example, 2000 because you invoked NC. If you can still get there by 2000, you cannot be disciplined for being after 1930 (or even after 1801 if that was the illegal report time), because CS violated the contract.

Note: this non-contactable 2 hours is specifically defined in the contract for this situation only, and is completely separate and independent of “promptly available” on SC, which is intentionally undefined. This can be as much as 3 hours in some situations, but is generally understood to be about 2-ish hours under normal driving conditions.

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Old 12-08-2024 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Any notes a t the bottom of the schedule are for schedulers explanation. Mine have been over written each day. I call to inform them I will be NC as soon as I notice a SC. That call is recorded so if it came to proof, there's that.
FWIW, I believe the ALPA skeds folks can see all remarks on your schedule. It’s just us peasants that get truncated.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Thruster
Now I'm confused. You said you cannot be disciplined for 'late' and then you said you must be there "as early as 2 hours from start of SC" if you make yourself "promptly available" at minute 1 of SC.

Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.

CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).

I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.

CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.

Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
Just show around 2000 and it will be off your line because they found someone else or they didn't and that's the appropriate report tme. Business decision... SRH page 80. "If Crew Scheduling places a rotation on your schedule with limited time to report/pushback, you should provide your best guess as to your arrival time under normal driving conditions. With extremely short report/push back situations, the Company has made a business decision and understands you may not be able to report by the Company’s posted time."
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Old 12-08-2024 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Any notes a t the bottom of the schedule are for schedulers explanation. Mine have been over written each day. I call to inform them I will be NC as soon as I notice a SC. That call is recorded so if it came to proof, there's that.
I dont't think they are overwritten. If I remember correctly, the CPO view of your schedule sees every remark made in that spot. For some reason, we can only see the most recent remark.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I dont't think they are overwritten. If I remember correctly, the CPO view of your schedule sees every remark made in that spot. For some reason, we can only see the most recent remark.
If you say so, I only see the latest one. I’ve never had a sit down with a CP so I don’t know. I’ve seen other comments there too but never more than 1 unless it’s a pilot checking my schedule.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
FWIW, I believe the ALPA skeds folks can see all remarks on your schedule. It’s just us peasants that get truncated.
DBMS leaves an extensive audit trail. Anything done to your schedule is recorded, including the employee number of ther person making the changes.
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Old 12-08-2024 | 10:38 PM
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I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
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Old 12-09-2024 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
You been awarded any of that assignment pay yet? Still waiting for mine...
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Old 12-09-2024 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
It's not all upside. When you invoke this, you are signging up for a DEFINED time to be at the airport ready to go in the event a trip is assigned during non-contactable period. That timeline could potentially be well less than 2 hours. No thanks.
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Old 12-09-2024 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
It's not all upside. When you invoke this, you are signging up for a DEFINED time to be at the airport ready to go in the event a trip is assigned during non-contactable period. That timeline could potentially be well less than 2 hours. No thanks.
(sigh) That is why YOU choose when you end your NC status. You can even call and end it before your SC starts. If you are a 3 hour drive from the airport call 2 hours before SC starts and that gives you 4 hours to make your “immediately available” time.

It’s simple. The farther away you are the earlier you officially end your NC status. If at the time you end NC status there is a rotation on your schedule you still have plenty of time to be at the airport by 2:00 into your SC period. If there is no assignment you simply then go immediately back onto your standard promptly available leash.
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