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#2561
Now I'm confused. You said you cannot be disciplined for 'late' and then you said you must be there "as early as 2 hours from start of SC" if you make yourself "promptly available" at minute 1 of SC.
Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.
CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).
I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.
CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.
Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.
CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).
I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.
CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.
Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
1. There is no trip present, in which case you are back to “promptly available” and all its protections, to include that CS must call you with an assignment.
2. There is an illegal report present for 1930, in which case you call to tell them it’s illegal, probably be told “fly now, grieve later”, and collect the dough. But in this case, you’d better be able to report “as early as 2 hours from start of SC” (plus maybe an extra 10-15ish minutes to get to the gate). In this example, 2000 because you invoked NC. If you can still get there by 2000, you cannot be disciplined for being after 1930 (or even after 1801 if that was the illegal report time), because CS violated the contract.
Note: this non-contactable 2 hours is specifically defined in the contract for this situation only, and is completely separate and independent of “promptly available” on SC, which is intentionally undefined. This can be as much as 3 hours in some situations, but is generally understood to be about 2-ish hours under normal driving conditions.
Last edited by FangsF15; 12-08-2024 at 03:26 PM.
#2562
FWIW, I believe the ALPA skeds folks can see all remarks on your schedule. It’s just us peasants that get truncated.
#2563
Now I'm confused. You said you cannot be disciplined for 'late' and then you said you must be there "as early as 2 hours from start of SC" if you make yourself "promptly available" at minute 1 of SC.
Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.
CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).
I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.
CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.
Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
Scenario: You call in NC for SC starting at 1800.
CS puts trip on line to show 1930. (illegal).
I call them at 1801 and say I'm promptly available.
CS: Cool, you're trip is at 1930.
Me: On my way and I'll take assignment pay please.
#2564
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,533
Likes: 1,129
I dont't think they are overwritten. If I remember correctly, the CPO view of your schedule sees every remark made in that spot. For some reason, we can only see the most recent remark.
#2565
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#2567
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 512
Likes: 99
I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
#2568
On Reserve
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 111
Likes: 11
I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
#2569
I dont know if I can keep going around in circles with the folks still not quite getting how the NC thing works, but at the end of the day its all upsides. The only downside is the effort of having to make a call to CS when you get assigned/awarded SC, and having to check your schedule or call CS after you start NC to go back on your normal SC leash. The upside is either you get fewer assignments and more time at home with your family, or if CS doesn't follow the contract then you might have to fly a trip you would have had to fly anyways if you didn't invoke NC, but now you will get a few extra hundreds or thousands of dollars of assignment pay. For the price of two phone calls and filing a quick STS if CS screws up? Easy choice for me.
#2570
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,151
Likes: 562
From: Pilot
It’s simple. The farther away you are the earlier you officially end your NC status. If at the time you end NC status there is a rotation on your schedule you still have plenty of time to be at the airport by 2:00 into your SC period. If there is no assignment you simply then go immediately back onto your standard promptly available leash.
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