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Old 07-11-2025 | 08:02 AM
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Proof is in the pudding. Tennis was right. I called, they switched it to F, bada bing bada boom……..
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Old 07-11-2025 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
Proof is in the pudding. Tennis was right. I called, they switched it to F, bada bing bada boom……..
I will readily admit if someone can show that I am wrong in principle, but in application I am 100% correct. Scheduling will code a LC into XX GS more than 18 hours to report as F every single time. That is the only scenario under disagreement.

GS on all X days: G code all above guarantee

GS that starts on X day(s) and goes into LC day(s): G code with duty day(s) on X days paying above guarantee and on LC days going towards guarantee.

GS all on LC days with less than 18 hours to report: F code, only first duty period above guarantee

GS all on LC days more than 18 hours to report: not sure this is really applicable since this should be a LC assignment.

GS that starts on LC day(s) and spills into X day(s) with less than 18 hours between award and report: F code, first duty period on top of guarantee plus any applicable duty periods over X days.

GS that starts on LC and ends on X days with more than 18 hours between award and report: under dispute.
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Old 07-11-2025 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru

GS that starts on LC and ends on X days with more than 18 hours between award and report: under dispute.
Maybe the old saying from my mil days is applicable:

dont ask questions you dont want the answer to 😂
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Old 07-11-2025 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I will readily admit if someone can show that I am wrong in principle, but in application I am 100% correct. Scheduling will code a LC into XX GS more than 18 hours to report as F every single time. That is the only scenario under disagreement.

GS on all X days: G code all above guarantee

GS that starts on X day(s) and goes into LC day(s): G code with duty day(s) on X days paying above guarantee and on LC days going towards guarantee.

GS all on LC days with less than 18 hours to report: F code, only first duty period above guarantee

GS all on LC days more than 18 hours to report: not sure this is really applicable since this should be a LC assignment.

GS that starts on LC day(s) and spills into X day(s) with less than 18 hours between award and report: F code, first duty period on top of guarantee plus any applicable duty periods over X days.

GS that starts on LC and ends on X days with more than 18 hours between award and report: under dispute.
So I went back and looked. Seems i had a SC the day prior so less than 18 between end of SC and rotation report. I'll call and get it swapped to an F code. Thanks all!
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Old 07-11-2025 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DELTAFO
Your bolded sentence is wrong. Also, you're arguing with someone on the scheduling committee. He's probably the one who would answer your DART.
I prefer being helpful without that label on this platform.
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Old 07-11-2025 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I will readily admit if someone can show that I am wrong in principle, but in application I am 100% correct. Scheduling will code a LC into XX GS more than 18 hours to report as F every single time. That is the only scenario under disagreement.

GS on all X days: G code all above guarantee

GS that starts on X day(s) and goes into LC day(s): G code with duty day(s) on X days paying above guarantee and on LC days going towards guarantee.

GS all on LC days with less than 18 hours to report: F code, only first duty period above guarantee

GS all on LC days more than 18 hours to report: not sure this is really applicable since this should be a LC assignment.

GS that starts on LC day(s) and spills into X day(s) with less than 18 hours between award and report: F code, first duty period on top of guarantee plus any applicable duty periods over X days.

GS that starts on LC and ends on X days with more than 18 hours between award and report: under dispute.
The reason I don’t agree is because it ought to work both ways under your scenario.

Your logic, if I understand you correctly, is that you can’t be assigned that rotation on reserve,
only awarded. With that logic I would be inclined to agree the first duty period pays green slip as well. The corollary is that if you cannot be assigned a rotation on X days, only awarded, why wouldn’t the duty periods trailing into the LC pay green slip?


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Old 07-11-2025 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I will readily admit if someone can show that I am wrong in principle, but in application I am 100% correct. Scheduling will code a LC into XX GS more than 18 hours to report as F every single time. That is the only scenario under disagreement.

GS on all X days: G code all above guarantee

GS that starts on X day(s) and goes into LC day(s): G code with duty day(s) on X days paying above guarantee and on LC days going towards guarantee.

GS all on LC days with less than 18 hours to report: F code, only first duty period above guarantee

GS all on LC days more than 18 hours to report: not sure this is really applicable since this should be a LC assignment.

GS that starts on LC day(s) and spills into X day(s) with less than 18 hours between award and report: F code, first duty period on top of guarantee plus any applicable duty periods over X days.

GS that starts on LC and ends on X days with more than 18 hours between award and report: under dispute.
GS that starts on X day does not receive a PB day on the next LC day available for the bid period? Say 2 day GS, fist day X day, second day LC day. Wouldn’t that first LC day become a PB day?
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Old 07-11-2025 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
I prefer being helpful without that label on this platform.
Regardless, I will serve my crow and eat it when due. Per someone on the SC who answered my inquiry, a GS on LC to X days more than 18 hours from report should be a G code. So I am wrong on that point. But I stand by my practical correctness as to how scheduling is interpreting and dealing with such awards. My guess is schedulers don't even understand the difference in pay between G and F hence why they've never pushed back on coding such an award as F. So this seems to be one instance where the company's practical application differs from the union's interpretation, but the company's actions put more money into pilot's pockets, so I like that better
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Old 07-11-2025 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by weflyurelax
GS that starts on X day does not receive a PB day on the next LC day available for the bid period? Say 2 day GS, fist day X day, second day LC day. Wouldn’t that first LC day become a PB day?
Yes, that’s how it’s supposed to work. However, some folks will keep their mouth shut until they have no more LC days left, and then get the PB day (and PR) banked. Up to you.

*edit* upon rereading your post (perhaps misreading), I'll amend my answer to clarify the PB day is supposed to go on the next LC day *after* the rotation. Your first sentence is correct.

Last edited by FangsF15; 07-12-2025 at 03:51 AM.
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Old 07-11-2025 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
This is categorically false. I’m 100% sure you’re incorrect on this.

The proof citied by you and DWC does not say what you think it does.
My experience has also been the same as theirs and F code gives you full day 1 pay no credit when they are unable to place the trip on your RES line legally. It has always been this way and precedent would also govern here.
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