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07-11-2025 | 06:18 PM
#3571
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Regardless, I will serve my crow and eat it when due. Per someone on the SC who answered my inquiry, a GS on LC to X days more than 18 hours from report should be a G code. So I am wrong on that point. But I stand by my practical correctness as to how scheduling is interpreting and dealing with such awards. My guess is schedulers don't even understand the difference in pay between G and F hence why they've never pushed back on coding such an award as F. So this seems to be one instance where the company's practical application differs from the union's interpretation, but the company's actions put more money into pilot's pockets, so I like that better 
07-13-2025 | 04:35 PM
#3573
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Otherwise, yes, it must be a live scheduler, and hopefully they gave you a 32 hour rest period.
Read the entirety of 23.S.5.f.
Last edited by cencal83406; 07-13-2025 at 05:06 PM.
07-13-2025 | 06:04 PM
#3574
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+1. The only thing I'll add is to be careful not to unintentionally acknowledge a 30 hour rest with a combined CNO call (legally) converting you from LC to SC. A couple anecdotal reports of a 'dual use'' CNO attempt.
07-13-2025 | 07:39 PM
#3575
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Exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
07-14-2025 | 02:26 AM
#3576
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You’re not required to acknowledge it, you’re only required to be promptly available at the start of the assigned short call. If you are unfit to begin the short call, you need to let them know no later than 3 hours prior to start. 23.S.6.
Same for rotations assigned to you while on long call status. You “acknowledge” by reporting for the rotation.
07-14-2025 | 06:05 AM
#3577
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No reason to acknowledge the CNO message converting you to short call, either.
You’re not required to acknowledge it, you’re only required to be promptly available at the start of the assigned short call. If you are unfit to begin the short call, you need to let them know no later than 3 hours prior to start. 23.S.6.
Same for rotations assigned to you while on long call status. You “acknowledge” by reporting for the rotation.
You’re not required to acknowledge it, you’re only required to be promptly available at the start of the assigned short call. If you are unfit to begin the short call, you need to let them know no later than 3 hours prior to start. 23.S.6.
Same for rotations assigned to you while on long call status. You “acknowledge” by reporting for the rotation.
07-14-2025 | 06:09 AM
#3578
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A live scheduler has to leave a message during a time you are contactable. Rest, X days, vacation days, and training day are not contactable times. Long call and short call are the only times you are contactable. The only other way to assign anything is one of the 2 schedule placements, more than 12 hours before LC (excluding vacation and training days) or post trip 30 minutes.
What I’m pointing out though is that you’re not required to acknowledge a live call unless you’re on short call. While ON long call status you either
a) show at report time, OR
b) are promptly available at short call start time, OR,
c) call in unfit for duty NLT 3 hours prior to report or SC start
Also to be clear, CNO is acceptable means of attempted contact during long call status for conversion to SC. Nothing else.
07-14-2025 | 06:11 AM
#3579
Roll’n Thunder
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A live scheduler has to leave a message during a time you are contactable. Rest, X days, vacation days, and training day are not contactable times. Long call and short call are the only times you are contactable. The only other way to assign anything is one of the 2 schedule placements, more than 12 hours before LC (excluding vacation and training days) or post trip 30 minutes.
07-14-2025 | 06:13 AM
#3580
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Just to add some clarification, the 12 hours prior to starting LC only applies to a SC or rotation assignment. I'm not saying they wouldn't try, but they really can't assign a 30 hour rest period coming off a non fly day. If they do then they are totally fishing and unless the pilot chooses to self-acknowledge then it is not a legal, prospective rest assignment. The earliest they can assign 30 hours rest rest coming off a non fly day 2 hours after the start of LC assuming they call you the moment you start LC.
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