Just want to confirm with the hive that during CQ (including travel days) you are not contactable for RES assignments. I suspect fishing shenanigans. I can’t find it in writing… lil help please.

 

Correct. SRH pgs 111-112. Also SRH pg 200 which includes examples for travel days.

Of note (and missable) is that a training day is NOT a non-fly day. So if you have LC on the day after training, they CANNOT assign you a trip earlier than 18 hours after the start of LC at midnight. Even if your sim ended at 5am on the last training day.

 

18 hours after the later of midnight or sim release plus nine, right?

 

You could get the call a year in advance, doesn't matter. Report time matters, could it legally report as a reserve trip during your contactable hours or not?

 

Correct. SRH pg 200 is very clear on this. Example 1 addresses sim release plus nine. Example 2 addresses an early sim release.

 

Sched Alert 19-07 "Reserve Green Slip Pay: Less than 12 Hours to Report dated 4 Nov 2019.

This was under old contract so just pen/ink all references of 12 hours to the new PWA 18 hours.

Their example:

" At 0930 on his last X-day, a pilot is notified of a GS award for a rotation reporting at 0500 on his first on call day.Although the notification in this case occurs more than 12 hours prior to report, he will receive single pay, no

credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation if he accepts the proffer."

The < 18 hours refers to the time between going back on LC (say midnight) and the report of the rotation (0500)....the time from the ARCOS call (0930) to report is irrelevant.

 

SRH page 48 has this exact same example with the 18 hours updated.

 

+1 to all this. 100% guarantee. I went to the mattresses on this exact issue, won, and a Scheduling Supervisor got reprimanded. You go back on LC 9 hours after release from sim or DH home, OR midnight, whichever is later, and no 1000/10 hour carveout.

I’ve gotten burned (or very nearly so) one too many times to help them ‘fix’ mistakes anymore. We have zero obligation to even know about an illegal trip, much less call them to tell them so.

 

Question for the brain trust. Get a SC assignment day 1 of a LC block. Does the 30/168 clock start on midnight day 1, or because they have to SC does it start at the beginning of that block. Asking because they pull LC off your calendar for that first part

 

The only way a 30 hour rest is legal is if you know from a specific point in time looking forward that you will have 30 hours off. Generally with SC assignments they aren't assigned with enough advance notice to have 30 hours. Like you could if you are awarded an 1800 SC at 1130 the day prior and acknowledge the assignment within 30 minutes of the award by 1200. In that case you know looking forward you have 30 consecutive hours so that counts. And that only counts if you acknowledge the award in time. If you acknowledge it at 1201 that's only 29:59 of prospective rest and doesn't count.

With a rotation award there is a greater chance you can push back your 30 hour rest since most of those assignments are now done 2 days out, giving you plenty of time to acknowledge the assignemnt 30 or more hours from report. In those cases that counts as a legal 30 hour rest.

Notice the key in all of this is you acknolwedging the award. This is why I recommend people to not acknolwedge anything, even if legally/properly assigned, until report time. If you are awarded a rotation 2 days out but don't acknowledge it until report time then your last 30 hour prospective rest ended at 0000 right on your first day of LC since at 1800 2 days prior (30 hours out) was the last time you knew with certainty that you had the next 30 hours off. At 1801 you don't know if you have 30 hours because you start LC at 0000, so you only have 23:59 of known rest at that point.

So to answer your question - if you never acknowledge anything then your 30/168 rest would always end at 0000 on your first LC day, even if you are not on LC at that point.