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Old 07-22-2025 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
If you have existing PB/PRs on your schedule, your X days no longer begin at midnight. In that case, the report time of your rotation is important in determining how many X days were interrupted.
While that’s true, the poster in question put in his OP (post 3618) that the GS rotation started on a PB, not a PR.

By definition, an interrupted PR is an interrupted X day, and that is inherent in knowing the number of X days interrupted.

But again, you are right that report time relative to PR end-time at the start of a rotation is important to know, it just didn’t apply here.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
That depends if the PB days are applied by the commonly expected “PR rounds up to PB” method, or the method actually supported by the SRH language that treats each day as a day that starts at other than midnight.

Reference scenario 3 in the SRH, the subsequent GS reports at 2100, covering only 1 restored X day, even though it touches 2 calendar days and a PB+PR in iCrew. Only 1 day is restored.
I disagree in that the number of PB days “owed” does not depend on the “PR rounds up to a PB”

Where that does come into play is determining when the math starts on applying the newly earned PB/PR day (s). This is the one and only thing I can think of where the precedent/application actually used by the company (PR rounding up) is actually more generous/liberal than the SRH.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I disagree in that the number of PB days “owed” does not depend on the “PR rounds up to a PB”

Where that does come into play is determining when the math starts on applying the newly earned PB/PR day (s). This is the one and only thing I can think of where the precedent/application actually used by the company (PR rounding up) is actually more generous/liberal than the SRH.
Take a look at the example I referenced in the SRH. If you took that scenario to the facebooks or here, most answers would say that the pilot should get an additional PB day over what the example says. They would say "Round the PR to PB, then he has 2 interrupted X days. When in fact, the second rotation only interrupts one X day that goes from 2000 on the 11th until 2000 on the 12th.

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The report time is irrelevant. Only the release time and number of X-days interrupted is relevant.
This was the original post that I responded to. The report time is very relevant. In the scenario in the SRH, if the report time for the trip was 1959 instead of 2100, the pilot would be due an additional PB day.

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While that’s true, the poster in question put in his OP (post 3618) that the GS rotation started on a PB, not a PR.

By definition, an interrupted PR is an interrupted X day, and that is inherent in knowing the number of X days interrupted.

But again, you are right that report time relative to PR end-time at the start of a rotation is important to know, it just didn’t apply here.
An interrupted PR it the end of a previously started PB day. It is not a separate day. When calculations are done according to the SRH, a PR is always included in the PB day that started sometime on the previous calendar day. How many PB days you get depends on the report time of the new rotation to determine how many of your non-midnight X days are interrupted.

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Old 07-22-2025 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
While that’s true, the poster in question put in his OP (post 3618) that the GS rotation started on a PB, not a PR.

By definition, an interrupted PR is an interrupted X day, and that is inherent in knowing the number of X days interrupted.

But again, you are right that report time relative to PR end-time at the start of a rotation is important to know, it just didn’t apply here.
If you flew a 2 day GS rotation that reported at 2000 and blocked at 1000 the next morning like the example below. How many X days were interrupted?

PB
PB G 2000
PR (ending at 1100) …. 1000

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Old 07-22-2025 | 06:14 AM
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Ok, so now who at ALPA needs to get involved so extra PB days are given?
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Old 07-22-2025 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
If you flew a 2 day GS rotation that reported at 2000 and blocked at 1000 the next morning like the example below. How many X days were interrupted?

PB
PB G 2000
PR (ending at 1100) …. 1000

This scenario has some variables.

Does the Pilot have any more RES days left that month?

If the pilot has RES left that month, in your example, they would receive 1 PB day and one Partial day (Block in plus 9 hours), making them back on LCR starting at 7 PM on day 2. If they had no more RES days left, they would receive two PB in the bank.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
Ok, so now who at ALPA needs to get involved so extra PB days are given?
I wish ALPA had more power than just sending threatening/negative emails about the company. The company has violated the contract since the day it was signed. The only thing we receive in return is a snarky email and an STS system that takes months to be addressed.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ShegotheD
This scenario has some variables.

Does the Pilot have any more RES days left that month?

If the pilot has RES left that month, in your example, they would receive 1 PB day and one Partial day (Block in plus 9 hours), making them back on LCR starting at 7 PM on day 2. If they had no more RES days left, they would receive two PB in the bank.
None of the variables you bring up alter how many X days were interrupted. According to the SRH, the pilot would receive a single PR on the day after the trip, or one day in the bank.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
None of the variables you bring up alter how many X days were interrupted. According to the SRH, the pilot would receive a single PR on the day after the trip, or one day in the bank.
It interrupted 1 X day and 17 hours of the next one (assuming you didn't have a LCR day on day two of this GS), assuming you had more LCR that month, if you didn't, that PR day turns into a PB day and gets banked.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ShegotheD
It interrupted 1 X day and 17 hours of the next one (assuming you didn't have a LCR day on day two of this GS), assuming you had more LCR that month, if you didn't, that PR day turns into a PB day and gets banked.
Only one X day was interrupted by the trip, it went from 1000-1000. The time free from duty just goes into an on call day. They are due 1 day back.
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