You're overthinking the question. HOW MANY X days are interrupted. It has to be an integer. This matters because each interrupted X day adds 24 hours to the PB/PR calculation. This must be determined before determining where those PB/PR go.

 

And I was replying to post 3618... In which the report time of the GS is irrelevant to the question.

But that's the thing, they don't do calculations according to the SRH example 3. At least in my experience. I've rolled a lot of thunder and have literally had close to 100 Reserve GS's over the years (albeit not this summer), and as far as I have ever been aware, CS universally sees PB and goes from there. (Amazingly, to our benefit.) CS can barely keep up with even the simplified math as it is, they do not dig down into the "other than midnight" end times as indicated in example 3. Kinda like the "rounding up" of a PR to a PB upon a subsequent GS. It's universally done.

Genuine question - have you ever seen CS actually calculate per example 3? If so, has that changed within the last year? Maybe I'm just not keeping up.

Not to split hairs, but a PR is not always owed/represented. A domestic rotation which releases at 1500, once 9 hours is added, will have the last PB end right at 0000. No PR.

 

All well and good, until Scheduling developed a payback day calculator that aligns with the PWA/SRH that knows not to round a PR up to a PB.

 

Except that it does matter, because it always matters when applying payback days on X days that begin other than midnight. Had the 2 day trip in that post reported prior to 0730, they would be due an additional payback day.

Given the company’s multiple attempts at a “calculator” and the reports of how they are trying to “add” payback days, it seems they have finally figured out the glitch and we will start seeing “correct” calculations soon.

 

I think you're hammering a technical point that's not in contention. Scenario #3 and #4 which dig into what you're talking through are very clear. I think Fangs is saying that the way the company actually does it, via precedent, is different.

i.e. what scheduling "actually does" is look to see if there is a PB on that calendar day (yes or no), and then they just go from there. If they did it the way the SRH outlines in scenario #3 and #4, then yeah, I think it matters.

Recently the union had put out a bunch of stuff on this.

I feel like what scheduling does in these scenarios is to "round up" a PR to a PB (first thing they do), then tack on a new PR for rotations that block in after 1430. Like, a 2-day GS releasing after 1500 would turn PB PB PR into GS GS PB PB PB PR.

 

Been a while since I’ve sat reserve and even longer since I’ve dealt with landing currency. What’s the gouge on filling out the template for the sim. Is it better to put your availability on your on call days or on your X days.

 

That may well be. But as they say, “until things change, they haven’t changed”.

I honestly don’t know if the precedent would hold water in a grievance (ignoring we seem to always come up short with the system board on those). There does come a point where the precedent controls…

 

To tag onto the PB/PR question with a slightly different variant, what happens if the GS doesn’t overlap a PR day but the PB day does? Here’s the example:

End the month with 5 X days then one PR day (0730 start) then 2 days of LC. Pick up 5 day GS on the X days that releases at 0700 on day 5. Am I due 2 banked PB days or 3?

 

It should be 3, because historically they would convert your existing PR day to a PB day "for free" before starting any new PB day calculations.

 

Thanks Tennis. Right now they only gave me 2. Any reference I can give scheduling when I call them?