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Old 07-21-2025 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Pretend the month of June looks like this:

28: PB
29: PB
30: PR (ending 0730)
31: RES
32: RES
33: RES

If you pick up a 2-day GS over the 28-29, the days off (in this case your pre-existing PB days) need to be moved to your next RES days. By precedent, the PB day formula, however, will require that the PR be converted to a full PB day.

The PB day formula begins to be applied after the PR-to-PB conversion. You would then have this under our pretend schedule:

28: GS Day 1/2
29: GS Day 2/2
30: PB (converted from PR)
31: PB
32: PB
33: see below

Because your trip blocked in after 1500L, and because the PB day formula adds 9 hours to the end of your trip release before applying PB days, you would be owed a partial payback day (PR) that ends at 0100L, such that your schedule would then look like this:

28: GS Day 1
29: GS Day 2
30: PB (converted from PR)
31: PB
32: PB
33: PR (ending 0100L)

Now, because dates 31, 32, and 33 do not exist in the calendar, whatever is earned on those days should be banked. And since we don’t bank partial payback days, the PR on the “33rd” in my example gets converted to a PB. You are owed 3 PBs as a result.

Ironically I am in the exact same situation, and my Crew Assist case has been under review since this trip ended. Thus far, I have only been given 2 PBs in the bank.
Ok, but in your example, 31 does exist in the calendar (for June, it's July 1st). So that RES day "absorbs" one of the PB days, right? That will leave only 2 banked? Or are you missing "34" in your example, where the PR day ends at 0100 on the "34th"? In which case there would be 3 banked PBs? PB #1 should start at 0900 on the 31st; PB #2 should start at 0900 on the 32nd, and PB #3 should start at 0900 on the 33rd, with the PR (#4) ending at 0900 on the 34th. That's "4" PB days (PB/PR mix), with -1 being absorbed by the previous month, which leaves 3 banked PBs?
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Old 07-21-2025 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
Ok, but in your example, 31 does exist in the calendar (for June, it's July 1st). So that RES day "absorbs" one of the PB days, right? That will leave only 2 banked? Or are you missing "34" in your example, where the PR day ends at 0100 on the "34th"? In which case there would be 3 banked PBs? PB #1 should start at 0900 on the 31st; PB #2 should start at 0900 on the 32nd, and PB #3 should start at 0900 on the 33rd, with the PR (#4) ending at 0900 on the 34th. That's "4" PB days (PB/PR mix), with -1 being absorbed by the previous month, which leaves 3 banked PBs?
Yep, I had to edit my original post. See if the edit makes sense.

I'll add that I am in a similar boat. Had a 2-day GS on JUN30 and JUL1, which blocked in after 1500L, which in my interpretation requires 3 PBs to be banked. Thus far they've only given me 2. A Crew Assist case has been pending since then.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Yep, I had to edit my original post. See if the edit makes sense.

I'll add that I am in a similar boat. Had a 2-day GS on JUN30 and JUL1, which blocked in after 1500L, which in my interpretation requires 3 PBs to be banked. Thus far they've only given me 2. A Crew Assist case has been pending since then.
Ok, so bottom line, I think 2 banked is the right answer for me, since one would be absorbed by the 1st in my case since it was a RES day.
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Old 07-21-2025 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
Ok, so bottom line, I think 2 banked is the right answer for me, since one would be absorbed by the 1st in my case since it was a RES day.
100% correct
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Old 07-22-2025 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
If you pick up a 2-day GS over the 28-29, the days off (in this case your pre-existing PB days) need to be moved to your next RES days. By precedent, the PB day formula, however, will require that the PR on the 30th be converted to a full PB day.

Complicating this a little bit is that JUL1 was part of the JUN 2025 bid period, hence why I had to edit this post after originally posting a different answer.

28: GS Day 1/2
29: GS Day 2/2
30: PB (after previously placed PR from prior trip is converted to PB)
1: PB for GS Day 1/2
BANK: PB for GS Day 2/2
BANK: PR ending 0100L (converts to full PB to be placed in bank)
The bolded above is referenced in the SRH and applicable only when determining how many PB days are banked.

An important question that hasn’t been asked: what time did the rotation report? This is necessary to determine how many X days were interrupted.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
The bolded above is referenced in the SRH and applicable only when determining how many PB days are banked.

An important question that hasn’t been asked: what time did the rotation report? This is necessary to determine how many X days were interrupted.
The report time is irrelevant. Only the release time and number of X-days interrupted is relevant.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
The bolded above is referenced in the SRH and applicable only when determining how many PB days are banked.
are you saying that this doesn’t apply in similar situations that happen earlier in a month and that don’t involve payback day banking?
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Old 07-22-2025 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
The report time is irrelevant. Only the release time and number of X-days interrupted is relevant.
Might have mistakenly thought the first day reported on a PR… in that case it’s important since if you report during the PR it converts to a full PB. 1 minute after PR end you’re not interrupting an X day any more.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
The report time is irrelevant. Only the release time and number of X-days interrupted is relevant.
If you have existing PB/PRs on your schedule, your X days no longer begin at midnight. In that case, the report time of your rotation is important in determining how many X days were interrupted.
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Old 07-22-2025 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
The report time is irrelevant. Only the release time and number of X-days interrupted is relevant.
That depends if the PB days are applied by the commonly expected “PR rounds up to PB” method, or the method actually supported by the SRH language that treats each day as a day that starts at other than midnight.

Reference scenario 3 in the SRH, the subsequent GS reports at 2100, covering only 1 restored X day, even though it touches 2 calendar days and a PB+PR in iCrew. Only 1 day is restored.
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