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Old 12-10-2024 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Forgive the ignorance here as I haven’t commuted in a few years…

So if I’m a commuter to SC, legitimately using NC, and I check my schedule on icrew with the airplane’s free WiFi while airborne, I’ve deleted my NC? What if I still need it? Is the gouge not to check your schedule while commuting in?

Example: SC starts 1400. My plane lands 1500. I check my schedule at 1410 while airborne. Or I check at 1330 while airborne. Both times I’ve deleted NC?
What makes you legit?
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Old 12-10-2024 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Let me clarify a concern:
If I’m airborne and check my schedule on icrew at 1410, NC is removed?, and I put away my phone. Unbeknownst to me, scheduling calls me for a trip at 1420. My phone doesn’t ring, it’s in airplane mode and I’m no longer on icrew.
I’d hate to get a “unable to contact” note left by the scheduler. I know I can acknowledge a trip through icrew, but just because WiFi works earlier in the flight, doesn’t mean it lasts the whole flight or that I’m constantly able to check my schedule, hence the whole point of NC. Again, if you’re actually using NC, is the gouge don’t check your schedule until you land?
Don't bother checking because you are enroute. Nothing will change.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by demon llama
During NC they cannot place a report on your schedule inside the first 2 hours. But they can put one on for 2+01. And you have 0 minutes to be able to report. That's how I understand it.

Edit to add: If you check your schedule on wifi while airborne to your SC, you now have the standard "promptly available" standard to meet. Which is undefined but generally understood to mean about 2 hours depending on local conditions at your base.
I get what you are saying, but considering how much confusion there has been amongst the masses, I’ll add one thing, just for clarity… “Zero minutes” is not actually possible. The intent is that you are in the airport somewhere. Even if you blocked in at the worst case 1:59 point (not smart planning, but…), they know it can take you 10-15, or even 20 minutes to deplane and get from one gate/terminal to another, regardless of the base in which you are reporting. At a minimum though, FOM says you must be at the gate 30 prior to departure, but even then, there are extenuating circumstances.

I would recommend never cutting it that close on purpose, but weather or other circumstances do happen. Realistically, as long as you push on time, you probably won’t hear a word, as there won’t be a “trigger” mechanism to even make the CPO aware. Probably…

I’ve heard some doozy CPO stories recently, like a pilot whose inbound flight diverted. Despite keeping CS in the loop the whole time, push was late by 5 minutes so the pilot got put in some commute “tracker”. Total BS. Not trying to scare anyone, just be smart where possible, and don’t sweat it too much if something happens.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I get what you are saying, but considering how much confusion there has been amongst the masses, I’ll add one thing, just for clarity… “Zero minutes” is not actually possible. The intent is that you are in the airport somewhere. Even if you blocked in at the worst case 1:59 point (not smart planning, but…), they know it can take you 10-15, or even 20 minutes to deplane and get from one gate/terminal to another, regardless of the base in which you are reporting. At a minimum though, FOM says you must be at the gate 30 prior to departure, but even then, there are extenuating circumstances.

I would recommend never cutting it that close on purpose, but weather or other circumstances do happen. Realistically, as long as you push on time, you probably won’t hear a word, as there won’t be a “trigger” mechanism to even make the CPO aware. Probably…

I’ve heard some doozy CPO stories recently, like a pilot whose inbound flight diverted. Despite keeping CS in the loop the whole time, push was late by 5 minutes so the pilot got put in some commute “tracker”. Total BS. Not trying to scare anyone, just be smart where possible, and don’t sweat it too much if something happens.
If you can show the flight was scheduled to arrive less than 2 hours after the SC starts, then ALPA can defend your commute and you may earn an extra 5:15 to educate the CP.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If you can show the flight was scheduled to arrive less than 2 hours after the SC starts, then ALPA can defend your commute and you may earn an extra 5:15 to educate the CP.
Also may get called to explain why you took 3 hours to get to the furthest of the 3 NYC airports, during rush hour, on a Friday (Fri/Mon have worse backups then Tues-Thurs at GWB, Verrazano and tunnels especially if before/after holiday weekend)

I'm half expecting that call this week.. Got called in for a 1700ish report, at 1600 when I went on SC, and didn't make it to the gate until 1850ish.. Crew Scheduling was incredulous at my "gonna be at least 3 hours to gate" estimate when they called. "Sir, you called to the furthest of the 3 airports, during rush hour, and it's snowing, I'll be on the road in 10 minutes, but I make no promises on arrival at JFK" I beat the 3 hours I guessed only because I was getting out of my truck right as the employee bus was about to leave, driver waited for me, and I didn't get randomed at KCM for once.

I got the riot act a few years ago, was sitting on SC in my crashpad 10 minutes from JFK, when I got a "ASAP" report to EWR... And it took 2.5 hours to get there. Even being in a cab less than 15 minutes after the call. Was able to show "this is when CS called, this is when I summoned an Uber, and this is where I was sitting SC"

Sometimes CS doesn't get that you can be well in legit SC range for one of the 3 airports we cover, and even if you were in the pilot lounge at JFK, walked out to the bus, got a ride to the employee lot, drove to EWR, rode bus into terminal, you are still looking at 2+ hours on a good day.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 05:15 PM
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regular to reserve (dec to jan).. carryout trip that is a red-eye on dec 31st (leaves before midnight eastern time) and spills into jan 1...

I understand how this is considered a work day for january bidding.. but where does the money go? does pay and credit get put into december for that last day? or january? split? something else?

thanks in advance
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Old 12-10-2024 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NJGov
regular to reserve (dec to jan).. carryout trip that is a red-eye on dec 31st (leaves before midnight eastern time) and spills into jan 1...

I understand how this is considered a work day for january bidding.. but where does the money go? does pay and credit get put into december for that last day? or january? split? something else?

thanks in advance
SRH “Asterisk Rotations” starting on page 198.

“When your asterisk rotation is changed or canceled in the following month's bid package, you are guaranteed to be paid, in the current bid period, no less than the total value in the current bid period of the original asterisk trip. You are NOT due any pay guarantee in the following bid period.”

Extra pay and credit normally paid the last day of the rotation will be paid in the Jan time card (and should be at the new rate).
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Old 12-10-2024 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NJGov
regular to reserve (dec to jan).. carryout trip that is a red-eye on dec 31st (leaves before midnight eastern time) and spills into jan 1...

I understand how this is considered a work day for january bidding.. but where does the money go? does pay and credit get put into december for that last day? or january? split? something else?

thanks in advance
Each duty period is paid on the calendar day the FDP reports, converted to base time. For example, if you are an ATL or NYC-based pilot flying a Redye from LAX, you would need to report at 2059 local time (Block out at 2159) or earlier, else that whole FDP and the trip credit will go towards Reserve Guarantee for Jan.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If you can show the flight was scheduled to arrive less than 2 hours after the SC starts, then ALPA can defend your commute and you may earn an extra 5:15 to educate the CP.
Most of these CP contacts are attempts at intimidation and nothing more. Even the rogue NYC CP who wrote the whiny newsletter article about commuters (complete with inaccuracies about our commuter policy) admitted that no disciplinary action has been taken across the entire base. It’s not because he doesn’t want to initiate it — it’s because he can’t.

Follow either policy exactly as written, then let the CP blow a couple grand of the company’s money into your pocket if they want to talk about it.
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Old 12-10-2024 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
What makes you legit?
You know exactly what I mean.

NC- non contactable. The premise behind this is I am promptly available at SC start+0200. In exchange, I don’t need to answer my phone during those 2 hours, ostensibly for when you’re commuting airborne. It’s needed legitimately when your phone is off. Otherwise, if you don’t promptly acknowledge an award during SC, discipline can happen.

All these contractural ninjas over the last 20 pages don’t actually need the non-contactability part for commuting purposes, but they want to use it to contractually screw scheduling during the first 2 hours of SC to make the trip they are supposed to get, roll to someone else. Great idea. Might feel good as the company contractually carpet bombs us with 6 SCs a month.
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