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#3611
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Since the automation of sick/well from MiCrew doesn’t work right, how can we expect a new automation to work right?
#3612
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That said, the company will never create an automated NC feature unless forced to by the PWA.
#3613
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Not trying to sound argumentative....I love to have the source documents to share with my fellow pilots and quote them to scheds when I'm arguing my points.
I believe you are referring to Contract Awareness (CA) 17-04 (16 June 2017) titled "Short Call Questions Answered"
I know the Sched Alerts (SA's) and the SRH are reviewed by the company so therefore they carry the same weight as the PWA....but I've never heard of CA bulletins carrying the same weight. So are CA's company reviewed as well and thus carry same weight as the PWA and SRH and CA's?
CA 17-04 states:
"In addressing the questions regarding assignment responsibilities, two important obligations must be considered.• A short call pilot must be promptly available for contact during his short call period. This means that the pilot must be able to answer or promptly return a phone call or acknowledge an assignment via electronic means"
So is there anywhere in the PWA or SRH that is the foundation for that bolded part? Of is the CA the only place it mentions having to acknowledge a SC flying assignment?
I did find this in the SRH on page 109, Question 8 under the FAQ about Reserves section:
"Q8. What if I am assigned short call?
A. Upon notification of short call, you may advise Crew Scheduling that you will be unavailable for contact during the first two hours of your short call period. Should you exercise this option, you must then check your schedule within that two-hour period and acknowledge any rotation that has been placed on your line. Such rotation may require a report as early as two hours after the start of your short call period."
So this appears to apply only to flying assignment during the 2 hour non-contact window, not necessarily the entire SC window.
As I was searching the SRH to try to find an answer myself, I falso ound this on page 5 "When have you been contacted, a Regular pilot" 5th sub-bullet:
"who is awarded flying as a result of an automated PCS run, a Pilot-to-Pilot Swap Board request or a Swap with Friends request must acknowledge the award and is obligated to fly the rotation; they will not be contacted to inform them of the award."
Since this is in the SRH, I would say this is a 3rd instance of must acknowledge
Again, not trying to be argumentative....really trying to learn the nuances and have the source documents to be able to back it up when dealing with Scheds or CPO.
Thanks for your time!
I believe you are referring to Contract Awareness (CA) 17-04 (16 June 2017) titled "Short Call Questions Answered"
I know the Sched Alerts (SA's) and the SRH are reviewed by the company so therefore they carry the same weight as the PWA....but I've never heard of CA bulletins carrying the same weight. So are CA's company reviewed as well and thus carry same weight as the PWA and SRH and CA's?
CA 17-04 states:
"In addressing the questions regarding assignment responsibilities, two important obligations must be considered.• A short call pilot must be promptly available for contact during his short call period. This means that the pilot must be able to answer or promptly return a phone call or acknowledge an assignment via electronic means"
So is there anywhere in the PWA or SRH that is the foundation for that bolded part? Of is the CA the only place it mentions having to acknowledge a SC flying assignment?
I did find this in the SRH on page 109, Question 8 under the FAQ about Reserves section:
"Q8. What if I am assigned short call?
A. Upon notification of short call, you may advise Crew Scheduling that you will be unavailable for contact during the first two hours of your short call period. Should you exercise this option, you must then check your schedule within that two-hour period and acknowledge any rotation that has been placed on your line. Such rotation may require a report as early as two hours after the start of your short call period."
So this appears to apply only to flying assignment during the 2 hour non-contact window, not necessarily the entire SC window.
As I was searching the SRH to try to find an answer myself, I falso ound this on page 5 "When have you been contacted, a Regular pilot" 5th sub-bullet:
"who is awarded flying as a result of an automated PCS run, a Pilot-to-Pilot Swap Board request or a Swap with Friends request must acknowledge the award and is obligated to fly the rotation; they will not be contacted to inform them of the award."
Since this is in the SRH, I would say this is a 3rd instance of must acknowledge
Again, not trying to be argumentative....really trying to learn the nuances and have the source documents to be able to back it up when dealing with Scheds or CPO.
Thanks for your time!
1) any rotation assignment FOR that short call, or
2) a LC rotation assignment or future SC assignment at least 18 hours after the current SC ends
Re: point 2. It’s tough to get it all o it there in a single post. You’re right… I will amend my statement to read “there are only 2 times thet you need to acknowledge as a reserve pilot; during your pre-release schedule check, or during short call.”
All of this said….
everything we have discussed is in the SRH.
#3614
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On a 3 day RES GS over PB Days. On the layover in Europe, check schedule to see if PB days have been properly added.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
#3615
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On a 3 day RES GS over PB Days. On the layover in Europe, check schedule to see if PB days have been properly added.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
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#3617
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On a 3 day RES GS over PB Days. On the layover in Europe, check schedule to see if PB days have been properly added.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
Nope. 5 day Trip assigned tomorrow. Current trip releases 1730 tonight, tomorrow reports at 1440. I should have 3 PB days and 1 PR ending 0230 on the 20th.
Crew scheduling fishing it seems. I would be the only 5 day RES avail tom but that doednt override PB days starting after GS over X or PB days.
Scheduling Alert 20-13 (incorporated in the SRH) titled “X days beginning at other than midnight”:“Although the scheduler may place the additional days off on your schedule at the same time of the award, realize that the additional days off don't apply until you complete your rotation.”
PWA 23.S.11, 23.S.12:
9 (13 hours if ocean crossing) will be added upon their release at the completion of the rotation and then 24 hours per X day interrupted.
If the anctual end time of your rotation is for some reason later than the scheduled end time (reroute / late ops), the SA/SRH direct you to contact scheduling to update the PR.
The reserve assignment falling either on the PB/PR days or within 18 hours of their scheduled end should then be dropped. If it is not (but all FARs are complied with) you’re looking at fly now grieve later. The violation would net you A day assignment pay (block + MU of A day, 2 hours minimum). An affected pilot would also be due.
#3618
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Need a little help with some payback day math from the end of last month. I think the co is not doing it correctly, but it was last month and now I need to do something extra I guess.
Near the end of the month (June), I had
28: PB
29: PB
30: PR (ending at 0730)
1: RES
I did a two-day GS on 28/29 that blocked in at 1600 on the 29th.
By my math, I calculate that I'm owed 2 banked PB days. They're saying it's only one.
I think there's another school of thought that would actually say there are 3 banked PB days due - if you instantly convert the PR on the 30th to a PB, and then add 9 hours from there.
What's the consensus?
Near the end of the month (June), I had
28: PB
29: PB
30: PR (ending at 0730)
1: RES
I did a two-day GS on 28/29 that blocked in at 1600 on the 29th.
By my math, I calculate that I'm owed 2 banked PB days. They're saying it's only one.
I think there's another school of thought that would actually say there are 3 banked PB days due - if you instantly convert the PR on the 30th to a PB, and then add 9 hours from there.
What's the consensus?
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#3620
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo;
Near the end of the month (June), I had
28: PB
29: PB
30: PR (ending at 0730)
1: RES
I did a two-day GS on 28/29 that blocked in at 1600 on the 29th.
28: PB
29: PB
30: PR (ending at 0730)
1: RES
I did a two-day GS on 28/29 that blocked in at 1600 on the 29th.
Complicating this a little bit is that JUL1 was part of the JUN 2025 bid period, hence why I had to edit this post after originally posting a different answer.
28: GS Day 1/2
29: GS Day 2/2
30: PB (after previously placed PR from prior trip is converted to PB)
1: PB for GS Day 1/2
BANK: PB for GS Day 2/2
BANK: PR ending 0100L (converts to full PB to be placed in bank)
Last edited by TALPAtalker; 07-21-2025 at 08:08 PM.
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