Hey internet:

Does short call count as part of your FDP when it rolls into an immediate assignment?

Had a convo recently with a CT supervisor who told me no, that I could sit a six hour short call, be assigned a full FDP as if the short call never happened at the tail end, then voluntarily extend 2 more hours.

This could easily turn into a “responsible for duty” of well over 20 hours.

Brought to my attention when my release paperwork haas the same LATT as my FO who had trip the assigned the day before and I’d been on short call for 5 hours already.

Thanks. (I don’t bid reserve much because it absolutely sucks. Worst possible trips that line holders and even other reserve pilots sick out on)

 

SC time is not FDP time. The technical term in FAR 117 for SC is RAP - Reserve Availability Period. FAR 117 has limits for your RAP + FDP. The limit is your table B FDP limit + 4 hours, or 16 hours, whichever is less. You calculate your table B FDP limit based on the report time of the rotation, not the SC RAP start time.

 

Perfect.

Thanks.

 

This^^^

Also makes an E period a decent choice for a local, since you get released at 0100 and don't go on LC until next day.

 

Shhhhhhhhhh!!

 

Worth noting also that the 16 hour limit is NOT subject to any extensions….

 

It's been a few years since I've done a GS on RES days so please help me understand this. I picked up a 19 hr notice 1 day GS with 8 hr block to dodge a SC starting a few hours after that rotation were to start. It is currently coded G since F is under 18 to report. The time card shows pay and credit on the rotation line, but nothing in the lower GS pay blocks. Just making sure it's all normal.

 

I think I get it now. I was under the impression the poster was talking about getting single pay no credit for the first duty period of s green slip with a first attempted contact > 18 hours with LC XX XX being the days covered.

The SRH and SA 19-07 are very clear. The reserve green slip only pays the PNC for the first duty period if it could not have been assigned coming off of X days. In other words, you can get PNC for a rotation reporting 00-17:59 on your first LC day after a string on non-fly days.

No where in the Alert or the SRH does it say that you’ll get the first duty period PNC in this hypothetical 2nd day coverage LC XX XX since the report is greater than 18 hours from initial attempted contact.

SRH page 48

”Note: A pilot may also be awarded a GS rotation with a report that is earlier than ten hours after the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day (normally 1000 pilot base time). In such a case, the pilot would receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period, regardless of when the pilot is actually notified of the award.
Example: At 0930 on their last X-day, a pilot is notified of a GS award for a rotation reporting at
0500 on their first on-call day. Although the notification in this case occurs more than 18 hours prior to report, they will receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation if they accept the proffer. The pilot should see the rotation award coded as F (not G) on their iCrew monthly schedule display”

From the alert:

”These sections apply specifically to a reserve pilot on long call. Because the reserve pilot on long call has a [18]-hour response time to report for a rotation, he or she may volunteer for a GS rotation with less than [18] hours prior to report. Such an award is a proffer and results in single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation. A pilot may also be awarded a GS rotation with a report that is earlier than ten hours after the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day (normally 1000 pilot base time). In such a case, the pilot would receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period, regardless of when the pilot is actually notified of the award.”

 

Already answered below you but the point of an inquiry is to answer “A general question or concern. (How to input a slip, quick question about short call tomorrow, iCrew is giving me an error, why is my Personal Drop not going through, etc.)”

In order to file a Report you should have attempted to resolve with the company first. Reports are for “[…] potential contract violation[s] [that have] occurred. Crew Assist Case ID Required. (I was not called for a green slip that was awarded to a junior pilot, RRPY hasn’t shown up on a rotation that closed out last week, etc.)”

 

No, that's the point of the discussions of the last few pages - the amount of "notice" time is completely irrelevant. Call CS and tell them to recode this as an F, and you will get the first FDP's block time (in your case, 8 hours?) as Pay/no credit (anything with a blank "credit" is above Res Guarantee. Happens all the time.