Originally Posted by JetPilotDaddy

It's been a few years since I've done a GS on RES days so please help me understand this. I picked up a 19 hr notice 1 day GS with 8 hr block to dodge a SC starting a few hours after that rotation were to start. It is currently coded G since F is under 18 to report. The time card shows pay and credit on the rotation line, but nothing in the lower GS pay blocks. Just making sure it's all normal.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

I think I get it now. I was under the impression the poster was talking about getting single pay no credit for the first duty period of s green slip with a first attempted contact > 18 hours with LC XX XX being the days covered.

The SRH and SA 19-07 are very clear. The reserve green slip only pays the PNC for the first duty period if it could not have been assigned coming off of X days. In other words, you can get PNC for a rotation reporting 00-17:59 on your first LC day after a string on non-fly days.

No where in the Alert or the SRH does it say that you’ll get the first duty period PNC in this hypothetical 2nd day coverage LC XX XX since the report is greater than 18 hours from initial attempted contact.

SRH page 48

”Note: A pilot may also be awarded a GS rotation with a report that is earlier than ten hours after the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day (normally 1000 pilot base time). In such a case, the pilot would receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period, regardless of when the pilot is actually notified of the award.
Example: At 0930 on their last X-day, a pilot is notified of a GS award for a rotation reporting at
0500 on their first on-call day. Although the notification in this case occurs more than 18 hours prior to report, they will receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation if they accept the proffer. The pilot should see the rotation award coded as F (not G) on their iCrew monthly schedule display”

From the alert:

”These sections apply specifically to a reserve pilot on long call. Because the reserve pilot on long call has a [18]-hour response time to report for a rotation, he or she may volunteer for a GS rotation with less than [18] hours prior to report. Such an award is a proffer and results in single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period of the rotation. A pilot may also be awarded a GS rotation with a report that is earlier than ten hours after the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day (normally 1000 pilot base time). In such a case, the pilot would receive single pay, no credit (above the guarantee) for the first duty period, regardless of when the pilot is actually notified of the award.”

Originally Posted by tennisguru

Every RES GS awarded at Delta pays, at a bare minimum, the first duty period value above RES guarantee. It doesn't matter if you are awarded on X going onto LC or on LC going into X or entirely on LC. The amount of time from notification to report is irrelevant.

The only method the company has to pay this properly is the F code. A G code will ever only pay premium on the duty day(s) that are over X days. The F code bumps the first duty period (on a LC day) to pay/no credit above RES guarantee. You never get/need an F code for a GS from X days to LC days because you are already getting the first duty period paid above guarantee with the G code since it is a X day.

As I said earlier, the F code is really poorly named. But because it's called "less than 18 hours to report" people just get stuck up on that and can't realize that it has other applications as well. Literally last month, on LC XX XX, the day prior to my last LC day I got called in the afternoon for a GS reporting late the next night on my last LC day. Well over 18 hours to report. It was awarded and coded immediately by scheduling as an F code. Full rotation pay since the F code paid day 1 on top of guarantee and the other 2 days were on X days so that was on top of guarantee as well. Again I do this probably a couple of times a year as a serial RES bidder. I only ever do it on LC going into X days, usually more than 18 hours to report, and every single time it's been coded as F, or if scheduling intially coded it G I called and they immediately switched it to F.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

This is categorically false. I’m 100% sure you’re incorrect on this.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

This is categorically false. I’m 100% sure you’re incorrect on this.

The proof citied by you and DWC does not say what you think it does.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

I've seen SK (former Sched Chair) and IT (current Sched Chair) reply numerous times on various FB posts on the widget scheduling page that ALL GS will pay some premium....it's not possible to get a GS and NOT get even a little bit of premium pay.

Submit the DART and report back.

Originally Posted by cencal83406

You’re not telling the whole story.

scenario 1: you are awarded a GS > 18 hours from notification on entirely on LC days. No premium due because they missed you as an eligible long call pilot.

scenario 2: you’re awarded a GS entirely within your long call days, but the first duty period is 10-18 (0r 0-18 if deadhead only) pays premium

scenario 3: you’re awarded a GS reporting on a X day carrying into LC days. You’re only due premiums for flying on the X days. You wouldn’t be due GS pay for the duty period on a long call day the rotation touches that’s within 00-17:59 of your LC start.

scenario 4: you’re awarded a GS < 18 hours from award to report on a LC day. All remaining days are x days. This pays all duty periods GS.

scenario 5: the aforementioned scenario. Great that CS is coding it F, but the PWA, SRH, and scheduling alert don’t SEEM to support it.

scenario 6: as a NYC pilot, your GS has a final duty period on the west coast reporting at 21:00 pacific. You’re going into a LC day. This duty period would not pay premium.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

Bruh....if we are going to assume that scheduling is just throwing the PWA out the window, then sure....anything is possible, like your example 1.

I didn't think I needed to caveat my replies with "this assume the PWA is followed" and I'll go out on a limb and day that caveat applies to SK and IT's statements about all GS paying some premium....as the PWA is written and if followed.

If the PWA is followed, then your first example the pilot wouldn't be "missed....they would just get it as a LC assignment....no GS so no premium pay.

Scenario 6: what's your point? It's always been like that....the "day" the duty period pays is corrected to base time. I never said every GS would pay GS pay in its entirety....I said it was impossible to get a GS and not be due some premium pay. Did they not get premium pay for the days prior? Yes they did...they got some premium pay.

Let us know what the DART response it...I'll re-engage then.

Originally Posted by tennisguru

Every RES GS awarded at Delta pays, at a bare minimum, the first duty period value above RES guarantee. It doesn't matter if you are awarded on X going onto LC or on LC going into X or entirely on LC. The amount of time from notification to report is irrelevant.

The only method the company has to pay this properly is the F code. A G code will ever only pay premium on the duty day(s) that are over X days. The F code bumps the first duty period (on a LC day) to pay/no credit above RES guarantee. You never get/need an F code for a GS from X days to LC days because you are already getting the first duty period paid above guarantee with the G code since it is a X day.

As I said earlier, the F code is really poorly named. But because it's called "less than 18 hours to report" people just get stuck up on that and can't realize that it has other applications as well. Literally last month, on LC XX XX, the day prior to my last LC day I got called in the afternoon for a GS reporting late the next night on my last LC day. Well over 18 hours to report. It was awarded and coded immediately by scheduling as an F code. Full rotation pay since the F code paid day 1 on top of guarantee and the other 2 days were on X days so that was on top of guarantee as well. Again I do this probably a couple of times a year as a serial RES bidder. I only ever do it on LC going into X days, usually more than 18 hours to report, and every single time it's been coded as F, or if scheduling intially coded it G I called and they immediately switched it to F.