Want to point out that this applied to going into non fly day, but is different if going into hard non fly day.

PWA 23.S.8 states LC pilot "will be" released at 0600 on last day prior to hard non fly day, so in that case, you know about it before hand, so when coupled with the 24 hour hard non fly day, it is > 30 and you wouldn't need to get any call from scheduling.

But in the quoted scneario above going into normal non-fly day (where not auto released), then CNO doens't count and live scheduler must call.

 

Your math is WAY off!

If you started LC at midnight (assuming that is also when your 30hrs of rest ended), then you expire at 1800 6 calendar days later.

For example, start LC at midnight on Jan 1st, run out of 30/168 at 1800 on 6 Jan.

There is a 30/168 calculator that a widget pilot made (ATL Rep KT)....been posted on the widget contract FB page a few times...recommend you check it out.

 

Hive mind:

I just want to confirm -- I'm on RES and expecting OE in MAR. I should bid for X-days on the days I'm expecting OE, correct?

 

X days are known rest. The scenario we are discussing primarily concerns when a pilot has a single X day between 2 blocks of reserve. So a pilot with 2+ X days will automatically have a known, prospective 30 hour rest period going into multiple X days. All the CNO does at that point is try to move the rest to start 6 hours sooner. For a pilot with 2+ X days all the rest really might affect at that point is their legality for a GS on those X days. The company's system doesn't differentiate between LC going into a single non-golden X day or multiple non-golden X days. It will auto CNO you at 0600 on LC the last day to assign rest at 1800 that night.

Just to reiterate, this whole issue only applies to going into a non-golden X day. If you are going into a golden X day or VAC day you are auto released into rest at 0600 and that rest is known and prospective and no notification from scheduling is required.

 

Depends on what you're looking for. Put your X-days there, then OE may be on X-days and PB days will drop some of your reserve. OR put your reserve days in your shadow peroid giving you the rest of the month off and open for GS or just time off. Even better if your OE is delayed a bit and some of your OE goes into your X-days. Anyway, one generally puts PB days on reserve, the other hopefully gets you PB days in the bank.

 

I know you know this, but just to point out to any NH‘s or lurkers, this is only if not already assigned something on your last LC day.

just want to highlight this excellent point, that there are times when you may actually want to acknowledge that CNO, if it is to your advantage. Choose wisely.

This is the way. Don’t waste any X days on a time when the OE planner might give you a day off anyway. Stack your LC days in your shadow period.

 

Not sure I’d chance OE on X days yielding PB days. Not written in the PWA or SRH that they’re due. The current methodology for the PB days graciously applied by the company for OE over X days does not include any PR.

 

I'll admit, I havent specifically looked at the PWA/SRH on this lately, but nothing would surprise me with how they're doing things these days. However, I've been through a handful of OEs here and I have gotten PB days every time. If they didn't give them, it would certainly be a move away from past practice/precedent.

 

They haven’t shown a willingness to adhere to precedent so it would be a long fight I’m sure.

And to clarify - you’ve gotten PB days, no PRs. I know they specifically don’t give those per their precedent. PB days from OE are applied by training scheduling. There is no “calling after completion of a rotation” to update release time.

 

Check out the C66 24 Jan 2025 "Update" newsletter (just out on your EFB). They've got a great summary that addresses this exact situation.

Bravo, C66!