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Old 07-08-2025 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
A reserve GS "less than 18 hours to report" actually has nothing to do with the time between the ARCOS callout and the rotation report time. It simply means is it a rotation that you otherwise couldn't be assigned as a standard reserve assignment. For example, coming off a vacation day scheduling cannot assign you anything that reports before 1800. 2 days prior at 0900 when they run coverage, they can award you a GS "less than 18 hours to report" that reports at 1759. So over 48 hours prior to report you can be awarded a GS "with less than 18 hours to report". This confuses many people.

Having said all that, since this was a multi-day rotation that started on your last LC day you were not eligible to be assigned the rotation as a standard reserve assignment. Scheduling should code this as F on the daily trip coverage report (not G). This code will correctly apply the first duty period's pay above reserve guarantee. The net result in this instance is you get the full rotation value above guarantee (day 1 F code and days 2-4 on X days) plus either 2 PB days and a PR (if the rotation released before 1500) or 3 PB days and a PR (if the rotation released after 1500).
You sure about that?

23.M.5.: “Open time with a scheduled report of:
a. 18 hours or more after award/assignment will be covered under Section 23 N.
b. less than 18 hours after award/assignment will be covered under Section 23 O.

The ladder that shows it is “23.O.” Open Time Award/Assignment Sequence for Rotations Reporting Less Than 18 Hours After Initial Attempt to Contact Pilot (Short Notice Ladder)

23.O.14.: “Pilots (including long call reserve pilots whose rotation would report within 18 hours of initial attempt to contact) who have submitted GSs (by proffer, in category, in seniority order)”

The pay is listed under 23.U.1.c.: “A long call reserve pilot who is awarded a GS rotation with a report that is within 18 hours of the first attempted contact will receive single pay, no credit for the first duty period of the rotation (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).”

I don’t think the short notice ladder would apply when 2nd day coverage begins at 0800 PBT per 23.M.2.



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Old 07-08-2025 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Yet another case of CS making crap up. File a Dart, the Scheds Committee needs to know.
I had a situation recently in which I was not notified of a rotation assigned on short call. In fact, they never called me, even after I no-showed. The other pilot called and asked where I was…..uh, at home? So I called scheduling and told them what happened. Pulled up MiCrew and saw that they had signed me in an hour earlier. I had never checked iCrew or MiCrew, no phone call, nothing. Shenanigans.
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Old 07-08-2025 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
You sure about that?

23.M.5.: “Open time with a scheduled report of:
a. 18 hours or more after award/assignment will be covered under Section 23 N.
b. less than 18 hours after award/assignment will be covered under Section 23 O.

The ladder that shows it is “23.O.” Open Time Award/Assignment Sequence for Rotations Reporting Less Than 18 Hours After Initial Attempt to Contact Pilot (Short Notice Ladder)

23.O.14.: “Pilots (including long call reserve pilots whose rotation would report within 18 hours of initial attempt to contact) who have submitted GSs (by proffer, in category, in seniority order)”

The pay is listed under 23.U.1.c.: “A long call reserve pilot who is awarded a GS rotation with a report that is within 18 hours of the first attempted contact will receive single pay, no credit for the first duty period of the rotation (in addition to any other pay and credit for the bid period).”

I don’t think the short notice ladder would apply when 2nd day coverage begins at 0800 PBT per 23.M.2.
Tennis is right about his example of being awarded a GS 48 hours before report on the first day after vacation before 1800, and coding it F#1 (counts on the GS counter, though). Likewise, you can theoretically be awarded a GS that reports at 0900 on the first day of LC which is also awarded more than 18 hours out. Rest can be an issue for reserve GS's, so there are times where you aren't eligible because you don't have 10 hours of rest prior (there is a short window where you have 10 hours of rest, but still have FDP eligibility).

All that said, in the example Hubcapped posted, I believe he would get the whole trip as GS pay, so long as the report was <18 hours from when otherwise eligible for the trip. But the PB days obviously would only count for the X-days. Unless I'm missing some nuance, which someone will point out shortly.
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Old 07-08-2025 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
"Would you care to go on record on this recorded phone line that Crew Scheduling now consider MiCrew official?"
Well if he clicked the acknowledge button in micrew...
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Old 07-08-2025 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Supercubbin
I had a situation recently in which I was not notified of a rotation assigned on short call. In fact, they never called me, even after I no-showed. The other pilot called and asked where I was…..uh, at home? So I called scheduling and told them what happened. Pulled up MiCrew and saw that they had signed me in an hour earlier. I had never checked iCrew or MiCrew, no phone call, nothing. Shenanigans.
This is happening a surprisingly frequent amount. A lot of pilots are going and flying their rotation anyway, despite not being contacted by a live scheduler or acknowledging the assignment.

They're afraid of reprisal, but by the very nature of showing up for an assignment for which you weren't properly notified, you are telling CS that it's OK.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
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Old 07-08-2025 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Supercubbin
I had a situation recently in which I was not notified of a rotation assigned on short call. In fact, they never called me, even after I no-showed. The other pilot called and asked where I was…..uh, at home? So I called scheduling and told them what happened. Pulled up MiCrew and saw that they had signed me in an hour earlier. I had never checked iCrew or MiCrew, no phone call, nothing. Shenanigans.
I kind of wish this would happen to me. Might make me a masochist, as if I'm eager to rage at the next driver that cuts me off in traffic (which I am not.) But seriously, I haven't had this happen to me yet but I'm fully prepared to lash out if/when it did happen as you describe.
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Old 07-08-2025 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ScopingItOut
Is there a way to check I acknowledged short call? I got a trip put on my SC block for today. But I have no record of a short call notification for today. When they called to assign the trip to me (within my SC window) I told them I was not notified of SC yesterday (for today). They first said I got a call. A quick check of the phone showed I hadn't. They then said I might acknowledged it in MiCrew, which I don't remember doing, but I may have. But then they went on to say they don't know how I acknowledged it, but that I did.

So is there a way I can check if I did?
Did you fly the trip? I'm not sure this is FAR legal if you were never notified of short call because you technically didn't have 10hrs rest before the start of the SC period. I would ASAP
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Old 07-08-2025 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
I kind of wish this would happen to me. Might make me a masochist, as if I'm eager to rage at the next driver that cuts me off in traffic (which I am not.) But seriously, I haven't had this happen to me yet but I'm fully prepared to lash out if/when it did happen as you describe.
Your comment really resonates with me. I feel this way.

I left for work tonight (grumpy) and my wife said "don't let the evil empire drag you down."

Gave me a tiny bit of perspective.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RockAutomagic
This is happening a surprisingly frequent amount. A lot of pilots are going and flying their rotation anyway, despite not being contacted by a live scheduler or acknowledging the assignment.
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This has been going on since forever. Not even a COVID thing.

Scheduling has exactly one job, to put a butt in a seat, but they seem to be afraid of the telephone. Had a buddy a long time ago, like 2014, and they don’t bother to call him for a short call assignment. Report time comes, and they call him. Say “where are you?” he’s like “I have no idea what you’re talking about”. As it transpired, there was never any call. Oh well.

He goes into the CPO, and they just shrug. Point being is this isn’t a recent thing or even that uncommon.

I’ve never heard of another airline being run that way.
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Old 07-09-2025 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis
This has been going on since forever. Not even a COVID thing.

Scheduling has exactly one job, to put a butt in a seat, but they seem to be afraid of the telephone. Had a buddy a long time ago, like 2014, and they don’t bother to call him for a short call assignment. Report time comes, and they call him. Say “where are you?” he’s like “I have no idea what you’re talking about”. As it transpired, there was never any call. Oh well.

He goes into the CPO, and they just shrug. Point being is this isn’t a recent thing or even that uncommon.

I’ve never heard of another airline being run that way.
I know a guy who left Delta and went to AA. He said it's night and day. Delta is always min staffed where AA is always staffed or nearly staffed for an irop.

Delta takes pride in minimal training and staffing. Our leadership team takes pride in understaffing. When things go right, they have to pay us correctly. When things go wrong, not even we can figure out if we are paid right and they get a discount on our services.
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