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Old 10-01-2025 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yes, and to be more clear my 2100 and later SC have only once resulted in an early morning DH. This was when I was not expecting anything because my airplane's last departure was around 2130. I got a 0435 report to DH out to another base on a different aircraft. The overnight RAPs are 9 hours so they can cover early morning and late night contingencies like swaps, repos etc.
Which is why they're primed for fatigue calls. Take an afternoon nap in preparation for a late evening departure? Boom, 0400 report that you can't get any sleep for. Try to go to bed early in preparation for an early morning report? Boom, called at 2101 to DH out to repo a broken plane back to base, release at 0300.
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Old 10-01-2025 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yes, and to be more clear my 2100 and later SC have only once resulted in an early morning DH. This was when I was not expecting anything because my airplane's last departure was around 2130. I got a 0435 report to DH out to another base on a different aircraft. The overnight RAPs are 9 hours so they can cover early morning and late night contingencies like swaps, repos etc.
Honestly, sounds fatiguing...
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Old 10-01-2025 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Honestly, sounds fatiguing...
It does, and much like DHing after a fatigue call “isn’t a reroute”, they’re not paying SCC for a fatigue call on the 2359 SC.
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Old 10-01-2025 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
Which is why they're primed for fatigue calls. Take an afternoon nap in preparation for a late evening departure? Boom, 0400 report that you can't get any sleep for. Try to go to bed early in preparation for an early morning report? Boom, called at 2101 to DH out to repo a broken plane back to base, release at 0300.
I didn't have much recourse. DH only duty period, a day stay for rest and then flew the following evening. I did it and it was fine but had it been fly at 0435 I would have called it.
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Old 10-01-2025 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SVCTA
Just to confirm here, a REST period is not considered a 'non-fly day,' correct? As in: if I have a (30-hour) REST assignment in the middle of a block of RES days, they can assign me a very early show on the day after my rest period ends. Right?
30 hours of rest is 100% considered a non fly day. Check out the non fly day definition: PWA 23.A.30

Originally Posted by tennisguru
There are two scenarios:

1. Scheduling assigns a stand-alone 30 hour rest period. This qualifies as a non-fly day and the earliest you can be made to report is 10 hours after the end of rest.

2. Scheduling assigns a rotation or SC, AND AT THE SAME TIME assigns rest for 30 hour preceeding report. This is a legal rotation/SC assignment and the 10 hour protection does not apply.
Tennis is correct.

Another example of his #2 is a RES pilots finished rotation and does the mandatory schedule check and they see a 30 hour rest and a FDP or RAP that starts the very next minute after the 30 Horus of rest.....both are on the schedule during the mandatory schedule check so its legal.
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Old 10-02-2025 | 06:23 AM
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Reserve Golden Days

Are these seniority based or what? I did not get 2 of the 5 that I bid for. I’m 45% in category and asked for Sunday/Monday golden days following a 5-day stretch. Now I have to worry about a Saturday short call since Sunday is coded as an X day. My plan was to drop Friday making me unusable on Saturday but that is now blown up with them having the ability to nail me with a short call.
What did I do wrong?
Any suggestions?
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Old 10-02-2025 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
Reserve Golden Days

Are these seniority based or what? I did not get 2 of the 5 that I bid for. I’m 45% in category and asked for Sunday/Monday golden days following a 5-day stretch. Now I have to worry about a Saturday short call since Sunday is coded as an X day. My plan was to drop Friday making me unusable on Saturday but that is now blown up with them having the ability to nail me with a short call.
What did I do wrong?
Any suggestions?
Why would you unusable on a single day preceding a golden day? You can still get a 1-day assignment, and they generally don't like to put 1-day-of-availability pilots on SC anyway (unless I'm missing something)?
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Old 10-02-2025 | 06:31 AM
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Why would you unusable on a single day preceding a golden day? You can still get a 1-day assignment, and they don't like to put 1-day-of-availability pilots on SC anyway (unless I'm missing something)?
They don’t put 1-day pilots on SC past noon the day preceding a golden day. They will absolutely put you on SC if you’re coming up on an X-day.

Single day trip? Sure, that’s possible but if it’s not on your schedule by noon the day before, you’re pretty much in the clear. Day trips are also more likely to get WS’d, at least in my cat.
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Old 10-02-2025 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
They don’t put 1-day pilots on SC past noon the day preceding a golden day. They will absolutely put you on SC if you’re coming up on an X-day.

Single day trip? Sure, that’s possible but if it’s not on your schedule by noon the day before, you’re pretty much in the clear. Day trips are also more likely to get WS’d, at least in my cat.
Well, okay (though some of that may be category dependent). My point was that you aren't unusable just because you don't have a golden day following it. Less usable for SC, maybe.
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Old 10-02-2025 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
Reserve Golden Days

Are these seniority based or what? I did not get 2 of the 5 that I bid for. I’m 45% in category and asked for Sunday/Monday golden days following a 5-day stretch. Now I have to worry about a Saturday short call since Sunday is coded as an X day. My plan was to drop Friday making me unusable on Saturday but that is now blown up with them having the ability to nail me with a short call.
What did I do wrong?
Any suggestions?
I've never not had golden X days placed exactly where I want them. Maybe your bid was entered in error? There are also some rules regarding how many separate places you get set them. Was this particular Sun/Mon your top golden day bid?

On a related note - people need to add to the contract survey that there needs to be a provision for reserves, at their own discretion, be able to convert a golden X day back to a standard X day. A golden X day only is functionally useful for the first day following LC. I've missed out on IA's because I had a stretch of 3 golden days when 2 of them were pointless and just blocking me from getting the IA call. Also, there have been times where I've wanted SC on that last LC day and been denied due to the golden X day following. There is no reason that I shouldn't be able to go in days and weeks after the initial golden day bids and simply remove that designation. It actually benefits the company since it provides slightly more usability for those reserves on their last day.
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