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Old 11-26-2024 | 09:12 AM
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So it's looking like for 27 NOV at least, NYC 7ERA is doing SC above max if YS'd.

I'm not YSing it. I'll enjoy my turkey day at home.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 09:22 AM
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Hey thanks for being patient with me. So, you guys are both saying different things regarding the status of NC after a sched check. On or off?
It was a spelling error on my part....meant to write "you have now turned off the NC status"
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Old 11-26-2024 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
So it's looking like for 27 NOV at least, NYC 7ERA is doing SC above max if YS'd.

I'm not YSing it. I'll enjoy my turkey day at home.
Game over for me on 2024 pay. Not working over the holiday so y’all will have one less GS competitor. Enjoy whatever you’re doing. Happy turkey day.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 11:25 AM
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There are clear benefits for commuters and locals alike to exercise their negotiated non-contactable benefit. After CS observes enough of us exercising this contractual right, how long before they proceed to the next step of this cat and mouse game? Maybe they start exercising their contractual right to extend our short calls. Now instead of 6 hours, they assign 8! Or 12!

I'm not suggesting we "walk on eggshells" to avoid escalation. I'm merely envisioning some type of punitive response typical of management.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
There are clear benefits for commuters and locals alike to exercise their negotiated non-contactable benefit. After CS observes enough of us exercising this contractual right, how long before they proceed to the next step of this cat and mouse game? Maybe they start exercising their contractual right to extend our short calls. Now instead of 6 hours, they assign 8! Or 12!

I'm not suggesting we "walk on eggshells" to avoid escalation. I'm merely envisioning some type of punitive response typical of management.
They are aleady assigning (still) some 9 hour SC's, so....
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Old 11-26-2024 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
They are aleady assigning (still) some 9 hour SC's, so....
Right, but the theory remains. 9 hour SCs become 11 hours to effectively negate any benefit to the pilot group. I'm sure someone smarter than me will point out how this impacts rest downstream.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
Right, but the theory remains. 9 hour SCs become 11 hours to effectively negate any benefit to the pilot group. I'm sure someone smarter than me will point out how this impacts rest downstream.
They could counter with an increase in the length of SC periods, but that has negative consquences for them too. Primarily in that it pushes that pilot's future availability for a rotation or SC continually later until you reach a point they are practically useless on a reserve day. The 6 hour SC blocks work perfectly with the 18 hour break requirement to keep a pilot on the same SC time for their entire block (unless given a rotation obviously). With 9 hour blocks a 1400 SC pilot can't start SC on day 2 until 1700 then on day 3 until 2000, and so on. Plus it's not super common but espeically with a morning SC 9 hour SC (or the 2359 one) you could get into issues bumping up against the RAP+FDP limit.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
Right, but the theory remains. 9 hour SCs become 11 hours to effectively negate any benefit to the pilot group. I'm sure someone smarter than me will point out how this impacts rest downstream.
I dont' see that happening because regardless of NC or not, the RAP starts at the same time, therefore we run out of FAR117 usefullness at the same time.

SC's used to be 12...then company said we were not very useful in the last couple of hours so they cut it down to 9 on their own....the 18hr LC is a major factor (IMO) on the current 6 hour SC...it allows scheds to assign a pilot a certain time slot, say 1000-1600, then if not used, give them 18 hours notice to start another 1000 SC the next day.
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Old 11-26-2024 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
Right, but the theory remains. 9 hour SCs become 11 hours to effectively negate any benefit to the pilot group. I'm sure someone smarter than me will point out how this impacts rest downstream.
Or you could look at this as our response to thier escalations and violations. (plural more than 1) Do what benefits you in accordance with the PWA. It's a never ending battle where you either fight or give in, that's the binary choice. You see the choice managment has made. Whatever you image thier next move will be, would refraining from using your PWA rights prevent it?
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Old 11-26-2024 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Or you could look at this as our response to thier escalations and violations. (plural more than 1) Do what benefits you in accordance with the PWA. It's a never ending battle where you either fight or give in, that's the binary choice. You see the choice managment has made. Whatever you image thier next move will be, would refraining from using your PWA rights prevent it?
My original comment addressed this, so I'll assume this is a rhetorical question. Point taken.
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