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Old 11-25-2024 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
It's probably more of an issue in NYC and LAX. Although per PWA SC is promptly available to any of the 3 in NYC but only LAX in LA.

Right now, 9pm on a weekday night, no weather impacts, time/distance to employee lots from my house that's about 12 DME to LENDY on the LENDY arrival. (About 5 miles to I-287 at the 80/287 interchange)

EWR 32 Miles / 40 minutes
LGA 45 miles / 54 minutes
JFK 56 miles / 1:08

But a "get here at SC+2:00" at 0600 on a typical day (told google "leave at 0600"

JFK becomes 2:10
LGA becomes 1:40
EWR becomes 50 minutes
Just check your schedule at whatever you think is a reasoable time to report -2 hours. If JFK is 3, check 1 hour prior. You will still have the promptly avaiable time frame and only an hour of exposure to <2:00 reports. I've called them enroute and said traffic isn't what I predicted but I'll get there ASAP while not committing to a time. That's when you ask for short term parking and show up when you safely can. You are not required by the PWA to be proficient in the use of a crystal ball or tarot cards. But a magic eight ball is a necessity. Sign are pointing to outlook not so good, try again later.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
More data would be needed in order to conclude that the no-contact provision was the reason you did not get the trip. I was sitting on short call last month and received a green slip notification for a trip departing within my short call RAP, consistent with my days of availability, and for which I was legal to be assigned as a reserve. Sometimes they opt not to use us, or in a more bizarre case, forget we are even on short call to begin with.
so that means they messed up the TC and would be well within their rights per the PWA to remove the GS pay.

the big hint is- if you get a GS that reports during your short call you were the short call pilot and NOT due GS pay. That’s an error/omission.

and ALPA couldn’t get GS pay back if they removed it.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
so that means they messed up the TC and would be well within their rights per the PWA to remove the GS pay.

the big hint is- if you get a GS that reports during your short call you were the short call pilot and NOT due GS pay. That’s an error/omission.

and ALPA couldn’t get GS pay back if they removed it.
I didn't accept the trip. I'm not the crew scheduling auditor. I just work here!
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Old 11-25-2024 | 07:54 PM
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Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.

At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.

But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.

The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.

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Old 11-25-2024 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.

At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.

But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.

The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
Finally someone spells it out in words I can understand.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
More data would be needed in order to conclude that the no-contact provision was the reason you did not get the trip. I was sitting on short call last month and received a green slip notification for a trip departing within my short call RAP, consistent with my days of availability, and for which I was legal to be assigned as a reserve. Sometimes they opt not to use us, or in a more bizarre case, forget we are even on short call to begin with.
Ok, how about this: Had I not done the NC method, as the only SC pilot available and with 1:30 from potential assignment to report, it was at least *likely* and legal for them to assign me the trip. Because I used the SC strategy, it would be 100% illegal for them to assign it to me.
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Old 11-25-2024 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.

At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.

But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.

The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
Perfect. Would you mind translating the rest of chapter 23 of the PWA into this style when you get a chance?
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Old 11-26-2024 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
If you check your schedule at start of short call and find they assigned you a trip that reports 2 hours into your short call, now what? As a local, I can’t make it in two hours (rush hour, snow, farthest co-terminal or all of the above.). The non contactable clause, even though it is revocable, could still burn you. When you use this, you are now signing on for a DEFINED 2 hour callout to be at the airport. It’s no longer PROMPTLY AVAILABLE. I can be promptly available to drive in, but I can’t commit to being at any co-terminal in a defined two hours.
Just to clarify this, you do not have to be at any specific co-terminal in NYC. You pick the airport that works for you and you will be afforded additional time to get to the other airports if needed (9.c.)
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Old 11-26-2024 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Just to clarify this, you do not have to be at any specific co-terminal in NYC. You pick the airport that works for you and you will be afforded additional time to get to the other airports if needed (9.c.)
And I think their "use all available short calls" is coming to a head. On the day before Thanksgiving, ome of the highest travel days, there are 4 of 32 on reserve eligible for short call, and that's before 30/168 or any other "Can't easily see" things are applied. Everyone else is maxed out.

I'm the most junior in RAW group 1, but I'm on a 30/160 over Thanksgiving so I'm useless even for long call.

Hoping this burns them and the Green Machone fires up.

I will be playing with my nephew and his pedal plane while the rest watch handegg (football)
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Old 11-26-2024 | 03:37 AM
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Ok ill admit, slowly warming up to this. So, if your on your last off-day and you see a 10am SC pop up for tomorrow, you just contact CS right then and there and indicate your preference to be NC the first 2?
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