Reserve for Dummies
#2431
It's probably more of an issue in NYC and LAX. Although per PWA SC is promptly available to any of the 3 in NYC but only LAX in LA.
Right now, 9pm on a weekday night, no weather impacts, time/distance to employee lots from my house that's about 12 DME to LENDY on the LENDY arrival. (About 5 miles to I-287 at the 80/287 interchange)
EWR 32 Miles / 40 minutes
LGA 45 miles / 54 minutes
JFK 56 miles / 1:08
But a "get here at SC+2:00" at 0600 on a typical day (told google "leave at 0600"
JFK becomes 2:10
LGA becomes 1:40
EWR becomes 50 minutes
Right now, 9pm on a weekday night, no weather impacts, time/distance to employee lots from my house that's about 12 DME to LENDY on the LENDY arrival. (About 5 miles to I-287 at the 80/287 interchange)
EWR 32 Miles / 40 minutes
LGA 45 miles / 54 minutes
JFK 56 miles / 1:08
But a "get here at SC+2:00" at 0600 on a typical day (told google "leave at 0600"
JFK becomes 2:10
LGA becomes 1:40
EWR becomes 50 minutes
#2432
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More data would be needed in order to conclude that the no-contact provision was the reason you did not get the trip. I was sitting on short call last month and received a green slip notification for a trip departing within my short call RAP, consistent with my days of availability, and for which I was legal to be assigned as a reserve. Sometimes they opt not to use us, or in a more bizarre case, forget we are even on short call to begin with.
the big hint is- if you get a GS that reports during your short call you were the short call pilot and NOT due GS pay. That’s an error/omission.
and ALPA couldn’t get GS pay back if they removed it.
#2433
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so that means they messed up the TC and would be well within their rights per the PWA to remove the GS pay.
the big hint is- if you get a GS that reports during your short call you were the short call pilot and NOT due GS pay. That’s an error/omission.
and ALPA couldn’t get GS pay back if they removed it.
the big hint is- if you get a GS that reports during your short call you were the short call pilot and NOT due GS pay. That’s an error/omission.
and ALPA couldn’t get GS pay back if they removed it.
#2434
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Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
#2435
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Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
#2436
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More data would be needed in order to conclude that the no-contact provision was the reason you did not get the trip. I was sitting on short call last month and received a green slip notification for a trip departing within my short call RAP, consistent with my days of availability, and for which I was legal to be assigned as a reserve. Sometimes they opt not to use us, or in a more bizarre case, forget we are even on short call to begin with.
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Old Man Bob and Young Tom live in base. Bob is seniority #69, and Tom is seniority #6900. Both are the only two pilots on reserve, and they each have 4 days of availability in RAW bucket 1. They are both put on SC starting at 1000. Old Man Bob isn’t on APC and has never heard of non-contactable. Young Tom is addicted to APC and debates on APC all the time…he calls scheduling immediately after getting assigned SC and tells them he will be NC until 1200.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
At 0300, scheduling runs trip coverage for a lone 4-day, reporting at 1130. Young Tom can’t be assigned the trip, so Old Man Bob gets it instead. Tom is happy because he goes golfing. Bob is happy because he doesn’t know about NC and doesn’t know to look at to coverage. In fact Bob is EXTRA happy because he’s not going to show up until he really has to (around 1400), because screw-them-they-stole-my-retirement.
But Bob flies with a chipper young FO who tells him what he’s reading on APC at cruise, and Bob quickly goes from happy to sad.
The next week, the exact same scenario happens except Bob also declares himself NC. The same trip requires the same coverage, and no reserve pilots can receive this 1130 report. At 3AM, a third pilot Weird George gets a call for a 4-day GS reporting 8.5 hours later. He cancels his tee time, and makes enough money in four days to cover his car payment for two years. Bob and Tom both go golfing. The end.
#2438
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If you check your schedule at start of short call and find they assigned you a trip that reports 2 hours into your short call, now what? As a local, I can’t make it in two hours (rush hour, snow, farthest co-terminal or all of the above.). The non contactable clause, even though it is revocable, could still burn you. When you use this, you are now signing on for a DEFINED 2 hour callout to be at the airport. It’s no longer PROMPTLY AVAILABLE. I can be promptly available to drive in, but I can’t commit to being at any co-terminal in a defined two hours.
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I'm the most junior in RAW group 1, but I'm on a 30/160 over Thanksgiving so I'm useless even for long call.
Hoping this burns them and the Green Machone fires up.
I will be playing with my nephew and his pedal plane while the rest watch handegg (football)
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Ok ill admit, slowly warming up to this. So, if your on your last off-day and you see a 10am SC pop up for tomorrow, you just contact CS right then and there and indicate your preference to be NC the first 2?
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