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Old 11-20-2024 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Tomorrow is down to 7 on SC. Because everyone else is used up. Thanksgiving gonna be wild.
Exactly this. They can't get out of their own way. It's mind boggling the lack of any logical sense.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru

If you really want to restore the pay the only way would be to use a PB day if you have any in the bank. That or try to GS/IA something during the month.
I don't believe you can apply a PB after the fact for an already processed APD if you're a reserve pilot. The PB had to have been entered at the same as the APD.

You can have scheduling apply the VACB code to the dropped day which will restore the pay via time from one's vacation bank.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Because Ed needs to make himself sound cool at CES. I’ll just be impressed if we can log in to iCrew or TravelNet in fewer than 3 attempts in 3 years.

AI is more of a buzzword in this context anyway, especially as it pertains to rotation construction. Carmen (the rotation builder) is already a rudimentary form of AI.
AI is real. We are using it to set pricing on about 1% of our international network now as a proof of concept and capability development. It is generating significant revenue gains. We are also using it in customer facing profile development and marketing. It's only a matter of time before it's used on everything cost related including crew scheduling and work flow development. (read rotation construction) With new development always comes skepticism, so I get it. We as a work group need to put more effort into understanding how this will be applied to us because it IS coming. Talking points are conceptual, movement from concept to implementation is far faster than anything in the past, ever. Some even warn too fast.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
One 4-day GS that ends up being prevented by a SC = 42 (or more) SCCs. This PWA sets the price of a SCC far too low for the company to care.
Very well could be. I think the measurable cost will go up if we get a finding that forces the company to follow the PWA they signed, and folks can get their 7th-10th SC in accordance with their bid.

But no matter how the grievance shakes out, there’s a lot of cost to the way management is “managing”. It just doesn’t shake out in the data, so they’ll pretend it’s not a cost. Ed doesn’t have a column for all the fatigues that could have been fixed with a little caffeine, all the jet declines for MEL collections that really aren’t too bad, the goodbyes that don’t happen, the wheel chair waiters who hear the actual reason they’re treated like crap, the APU burn because frustration makes pilots grumpy and hot, etc.

Treat people like crap and you pay a price one way or another. Humans are going to human.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
AI is real. We are using it to set pricing on about 1% of our international network now as a proof of concept and capability development. It is generating significant revenue gains. We are also using it in customer facing profile development and marketing. It's only a matter of time before it's used on everything cost related including crew scheduling and work flow development. (read rotation construction) With new development always comes skepticism, so I get it. We as a work group need to put more effort into understanding how this will be applied to us because it IS coming. Talking points are conceptual, movement from concept to implementation is far faster than anything in the past, ever. Some even warn too fast.
I’m not disagreeing with you at all about the broader potential of AI. To me, the greater threat is Delta falling behind the competition’s use of AI (under current leadership). We have a management team that has failed at its implementation and execution of IT strategy at nearly every opportunity over the past two decades.

Rotations have been software generated, based on data driven parameters, for many years. Are there efficiencies that the company can still gain there? Of course. But the company gets closer to hitting its limit on PWA value extraction every day, short of outright violating it. I just don’t see AI rotation construction as being our biggest threat, provided we hold the line on defending and improving our contract.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Very well could be. I think the measurable cost will go up if we get a finding that forces the company to follow the PWA they signed, and folks can get their 7th-10th SC in accordance with their bid.

But no matter how the grievance shakes out, there’s a lot of cost to the way management is “managing”. It just doesn’t shake out in the data, so they’ll pretend it’s not a cost. Ed doesn’t have a column for all the fatigues that could have been fixed with a little caffeine, all the jet declines for MEL collections that really aren’t too bad, the goodbyes that don’t happen, the wheel chair waiters who hear the actual reason they’re treated like crap, the APU burn because frustration makes pilots grumpy and hot, etc.

Treat people like crap and you pay a price one way or another. Humans are going to human.
Template is only single digit now so... 9

Thay are already mitigating the problem.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
I’m not disagreeing with you at all about the broader potential of AI. To me, the greater threat is Delta falling behind the competition’s use of AI (under current leadership). We have a management team that has failed at its implementation and execution of IT strategy at nearly every opportunity over the past two decades.

Rotations have been software generated, based on data driven parameters, for many years. Are there efficiencies that the company can still gain there? Of course. But the company gets closer to hitting its limit on PWA value extraction every day, short of outright violating it. I just don’t see AI rotation construction as being our biggest threat, provided we hold the line on defending and improving our contract.
DALPA definately needs to get out ahead of this. Just like the optimizer, we can get in on the ground floor or we can play catch up. We generally deal with the operationally clunky DBMS stuff and see all the flaws. The real software development and AI stuff is more about the customer and business efficiency. Just as the AE software has come on line, there will be a generational shift in how, and how fast things are done. The ability to adapt in real time will change the landscape and the only restrictions to these new powerful tools will be the PWA. Maybe, depending on the degree to which it is ignored and reinterpreted. I can see the arguement already: "that was envisioned in the old scheduling ecosystem and this new stuff means it's not applicable"
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Old 11-20-2024 | 02:28 PM
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I hadn't bid reserve in a while and was unclear and inexperienced with P/DRs and a blue grid. I originally wanted to drop a couple of RES days, spread out over 9 RES days, but they were not awarded because I'm on a widebody fleet (23.I.9), bouncing around FL 3 or 4 legs a day (not complaining). I lobbed what I thought was a Hail Mary and dropped more than I probably should have.

Anyone know if there is anyway to partially/restore those RES days and pump those numbers back up? I'm guessing P/DRs are Hard (unable to) No Fly Days precluding YS/GS. I'll do my own research as well, but this seemed like an appropriate thread for me.
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Old 11-20-2024 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by flipflopsflyer
I hadn't bid reserve in a while and was unclear and inexperienced with P/DRs and a blue grid. I originally wanted to drop a couple of RES days, spread out over 9 RES days, but they were not awarded because I'm on a widebody fleet (23.I.9), bouncing around FL 3 or 4 legs a day (not complaining). I lobbed what I thought was a Hail Mary and dropped more than I probably should have.

Anyone know if there is anyway to partially/restore those RES days and pump those numbers back up? I'm guessing P/DRs are Hard (unable to) No Fly Days precluding YS/GS. I'll do my own research as well, but this seemed like an appropriate thread for me.
No real recourse, other than going large and filling up, then YS on X-Days after (before GS on coverage ladder). But yes, P/D are hard no-fly, so you might have a tough time even doing that.

I’ve never heard am of anyone having luck with CPO in immediate aftermath of an “oops” P/D, but it’s worth a shot?
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Old 11-20-2024 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by flipflopsflyer
I hadn't bid reserve in a while and was unclear and inexperienced with P/DRs and a blue grid. I originally wanted to drop a couple of RES days, spread out over 9 RES days, but they were not awarded because I'm on a widebody fleet (23.I.9), bouncing around FL 3 or 4 legs a day (not complaining). I lobbed what I thought was a Hail Mary and dropped more than I probably should have.

Anyone know if there is anyway to partially/restore those RES days and pump those numbers back up? I'm guessing P/DRs are Hard (unable to) No Fly Days precluding YS/GS. I'll do my own research as well, but this seemed like an appropriate thread for me.
Pickup greenslips or use “time” (not days) from your vacation bank by having scheduling apply VACB to any PD’s that you want to restore the pay for.
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