Lets look at this another way…

take a look at at 23 Q 11 b…

11. When awarding a GS or GSWC the Company will:
b. afford the pilot accepting the award the reporting time ability of a short call reserve pilot.

at a very data driven company, say they get most short call pilots to report for their rotations in 1 hour.

now beernutt gets a short notice greenie on ARCOS with a report of an hour. Beernutt doesn’t use the gray area and say “I’ll get there as soon as I can.” Beernutt says “it’ll take me 2 hours accounting for traffic.”

company says to beernutt, we will move on to the next pilot because you have exceeded our data-driven and analyzed “short call ability of a reserve pilot” which is typically 1 hour. Since there is no defined time no pay is due. Beernutt submits to union and union is unsuccessful in pursuing pay due to the company successfully arguing that the ability of short call pilots is by and large 1 hour while beernutt said they needed 2.

 

Just for clarity, this is true, but only for reserve. CS burned me on this exact thing once, and I lost the GS with no recourse - it won't happen again. If the company laments any future ignored phone calls asking "what time will you arrive", they need to look in the mirror. Fool me once...

A Regular pilot is guaranteed single pay, however. They can remove you for company convenience, but you still get single pay.

 

So let's say we have the same scenario (1400 SC with CS placing a 1430 report) except you did not check your schedule ahead of time, as you have no obligation to do so. You get the call at 1401, are you going to rush like crazy to make the 1430 sign-in? Would you feel like you're lying to CS if you said 'I'll be there in around 2 hours'?

Or let's say you specifically bid for a 1400 SC, and knowing you have no obligation to the company until 1400 you can pick up your kid from school at 1300 (it's early dismissal or something). Instead, during a time that you have NO OBLIGATION to check your schedule you see that 1430 trip. You know it takes you roughly 2 hours to get to the airport so you cancel picking up your kid at 1300 and leave the house at 1230 so you can make it 'on time'.

THAT is what we are talking about. Do not set that precedent. It's not about "getting back at someone" it's about following the PWA and not undercutting yourself and your fellow pilots.

And it's not a "perceived slight" if CS asks you to report in 30 mins from a SC, it's straight out of the SRH that the Co is making a business decision. Treat it as such.

 

Just to clarify, the company IS fighting paying these for regular pilots too. If you can’t get there in time they can skip you with no pay under this subjective call time.

How would a regular pilot be due pay if he or she said “I can be there in 5 hours”?

 

I was always under the impression NYC is 2-3 hour call out and I lost 2 GS’s saying I could be there in 3 hours. Union agreed with the company too denying them to me. Company didn’t want to delay the flights, and the flights still delayed

 

people need to stop quoting a time. It’s “I’ll get there as soon as I can.”

 

It's not written anywhere that governs the pilots.

The *only* place I have seen any time written down in black and white is the FA's work rules document....it states that when they are on A days (their version of our SC), they have up to 2 hours to report at all bases with the exception of NYC where its 3 hours max.

 

Using the first 2 hour not contactable on SC provision has eliminated all of this for me. I check my schedule when I go on SC and if there’s anything on it I show at the airport 2 hours later. You can check your schedule any time you like in that 2 hours and it’s not notification. As for GS, I’m on my way right now. If they call again there’s no obligation to answer once the assignment is made. The response time is highly variable due to circumstances outside my control like traffic.

 

I learned the hard way. But now I know better

 

Just to clarify, they can put something on your schedule 5 minutes before the 2 hour non contact window for a trip starting in 10 minutes and you'd be expected to be there.

Also, as soon as that window ends (or if you call) you immediately revert to standard SC rules..