Out of principle, I’m going to take 2 hours. I value my time and don’t work for free. If you’re wired different, that’s fine. Out of principle, I don’t YS or WS a trip that’s going GS either.

 

Integrity goes both ways — whether it’s “What’s a SIL?”, “It isn’t a violation until an arbitrator says it is”, 90+ day backlogs just to get paid properly, the 23M7 mess, not honoring PS home after a reroute, or countless other examples.

Delta told me they would be a certain type of company at the interview, and I told Delta I’d be a certain type of pilot at the interview. In many ways, we’ve both gone our separate ways over time.

 

Snookered I think both sides have a point. You are well within your right to report ASAP because our contract allows it. Don't let anyone get you down for following the contract.

On the flip side, my QOL skyrocketed by knowing the contract and not helping the company beyond it. They've proven time and again that our generosity will be used against us. Looking ahead to the next downturn, for example, if everyone reported in 30 minutes we'd have a hell of a time preventing an arbitrator from seeing that statistic and not forcing it upon us.

 

I said exactly what I had to say to get hired. They know this. We know this. Or do you really think everyone who answered "what will you do it you see a captain without his hat" that they'd confront me them REALLY would do that?

 

Spot on

(Oh, and add in the rules of the road debacle and crew meal interpretation...)

 

This discussion started with a pilot on 1400 SC being assigned a 1430 report. Under no circumstances is that pilot required to put in extra effort to leave his house extra early in order to make it to the airport to make a 1430 sign in. Lots of pilots make it to the plane less than 2 hours from the time scheduling contacts them and that's fine. What we are all talking about however is the expectation that scheduling sometimes has that a reserve pilot be nearly immediately available once contacted. If the company wants to assign a SC pilot a very short notice report, then that's fine, but they just need to know that they are in all likelihood making a move to delay the flight. If they didn't want to delay then most of the times they have the reroute lever to pull instead of waiting for a SC pilot to come in.

You also mention that spite is a crap way to make decisions. I don't know about you, but at times I've seen the company make decisions out of spite as well. And honestly, I don't really hold that against them because as I posted earlier the company is going to look out for the company first and foremost. I don't have a vendetta against scheduling or anyone else in the company. I just conduct my employment as agreed upon in the PWA, no more, no less, because the company sure doesn't do much to lift a finger beyond the limits of that document either.

And then you talk about integrity. I don't lie, steal, or cheat. I report on time and do an excellent job when I come to work. I treat my passengers and fellow employees with respect. That's what Delta hired me to do.

 

You and I may have different definitions of the words 'integrity' and 'lie'. The 'spite' part seeems pretty clear, though.

I'm not trying to moralize. I'm just too lazy to expend the effort trying to get back at people (or the company) for some kind of perceived slight.

Back to the original topic - take as much time as you want to report while on short call. It's not defined anywhere except in your conscience.

 

Conscience has nothing to do with it. The general expectation is 2 hours under normal circumstances. If they want to have you report earlier, then they have accepted a delay. What they are doing, however is trying to force or guilt trip pilots or fish and lie to them to get the flight out on time. And shamefully, doing it to a lot of first officers who are on probation and probably don't know better.

 

It’s not about revenge though. It’s just a matter of upholding our contractual obligations — while not offering more for free.

I’m lazy as well. I would have responded exactly as tennisguru did. He was pulled off a trip and ended up with 3 more days off. Sounds a lot easier than flying a trip that he wasn’t required to at the time provided.

Remember, “Where are you right now?” is not a question that we’re contractually obligated to answer to CS. They notified him of an SC assignment (late), then asked when he’d be available to fly it. He provided the answer that precedent has shown satisfies our contractual obligation. Being present at the airport on a pilot’s own personal time doesn’t obligate the pilot to offer more than the PWA requires for free.

 

Glad you posted as it’s generated good discussion. The best argument I can give you to not do that is that it encourages bad behavior on the part of scheduling and there are some of your peers who won’t know any better. Assigning that trip they did so far out is a conscious choice on their part. They could have that flight go out on time (GS, WS or RR) but deliberately chose not to, hoping that you’d bite. By accepting it, they are emboldened to do it again. That late departure is on them not you.

To answer your other question, they 100 percent can see when you log into MiCrew and it 100 percent does not matter. Unless you mash that acknowledge button that’s not a notification; it doesn’t matter how many times you view it, you are not notified. CNO is not notification for a trip either only conversion from LC to SC or SC related rest. CNO for stand alone rest doesn’t count either, I’ve had 2 trips dropped just this year due to this. I NEVER hit acknowledge until an actual person calls and I’m dang sure it’s a clean kill.