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Old 12-12-2024 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
what step of coverage is white slip?
Not a contract expert but an immediate report they are still above everything else? I thought there was a carve out.
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Old 12-12-2024 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Not a contract expert but an immediate report they are still above everything else? I thought there was a carve out.
The company may choose to invoke 23M7 but they are always bound by the coverage ladder. If there is a pilot with a valid white slip in and they skip steps of coverage (at any time) to get the rotation crewed, the white slip pilot would be the M7.
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Old 12-12-2024 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
Couldn't you still just have one white slip - which you would still roll every day - but that had trip parameters that covered MIN 01 MAX 05 day trips? Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?
No. At least, no way that I’m aware of. Because the “all flying days for award” isn’t the start date, it’s all inclusive days of the trip. So to capture the 5th day of a a 5-day, 4 of the 5 possible days will not be a proffer for a 1-day, and 3 of the days won’t be a proffer for a 2-day, and so on.

For example, today is the 12th, let’s say you put in for a Min1 Max5 with inclusive dates of 12-18th (a 5-day trip starting on the 14th is a proffer after the 2000 PCS run on the 11th, so long as you do NOT check the “award on 0700 PCS run). A 5-day leaving in the 14th ends on the 18th. A 1-day trip starting on the 15th, 16th, 17th, or 18th will simply be awarded as a WS, and you can’t turn it down…

So to prevent this, I put in WS preference 11 as a 1-day min and max, inclusive of dates today through 2 days later(the 14th), then preference 12 as a 2-day min a max, inclusive of dates today through 3 days later(the 15th - adding another day to capture the 2nd of the 2 days), then preference 13 as…. They would all be proffers through ARCOS, and I can turn them all down by not responding. Helps me keep them straight, and leaves room to slide in a specific slip as preference 1 or 9 if I see something I actually want.

I wish there was a check box for “proffered trips only”, then you could do as you wrote above. But there isn’t, so you have to go through the hoops each day, to roll all the dates forward. It’s a mild pain, but once you get it, it’s pretty quick to update each day.

Of course, that’s just for lineholders (in a Reserve thread no less). Hope that helps.

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Old 12-12-2024 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
That's what I'm saying. I truly don't understand some of the WS and YS out there. I am even seeing junior guys YS'ing decent trips <18 hours to report on their friggin X days!

My guess is you only make that mistake once...

Or maybe the strategy is to get reserve full??? Which defeats the entire purpose of bidding reserve...
um, yeah, that way you are full before your work days on the holiday and now they can’t touch you….
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Old 12-12-2024 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
That's the only one I can think of...so for a guy who can't hold a line who got unstacked on Xmas...yeah, this would be the month I would predict seeing that happen. I doubt you would see reserves YS'ing trips < 18 hrs outside of December.
And in non holiday months, say you really need a weekend off at the end of the month that you got coveraged into.
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Old 12-12-2024 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 80knotsV1rotate
What does the hive mind think about individuals who are WS'ing rotations with <18 hrs to report and insufficient SC coverage?
What does the hive mind think about individuals who are GS'ing rotations with <18 hrs to report and insufficient SC coverage? Your GS stole my GSWC/IA/23m7.
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Old 12-12-2024 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
More FRMS SC periods. Some days they have enough to cover 100% sick calls.

CS is assigning FRMS trips that report 30' after SC starts. This is a setup for the SC pilot to show up at push and catch up airborne. This is the primary reason WB categories are exercising the Non Contact provision.

Can you imagine if the ATL A350 taxi incident involved a SC pilot in the above scenario. "Mishap relief pilot reported 5 minutes before pushback and was heads down reviewing M+"

I'm sure others will chime in with more detail.

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I thought there was some new change as it relates to reserves swapping an X-day into the FRMS SC reserve day which was assigned prior to rest?
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Old 12-12-2024 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Correct. but being right at the defined NC 2-hour drive-time, if you do invoke NC, I would call/check iCrew schedule 0:01 minute into SC, since you would be expected to be at the airport right at that 2-hour point if there was a trip assigned at exactly the wrong moment (the chances of that are super low, but not zero). If no trip present when you call/check iCrew, you revert to "promptly available" with the undefined callout time, and would then also require a phone call for any assignment.
My plan would be to undo (via icrew or phone call) the Non-contactable status right before short call begins so I dont have to worry about a sneak trip being put on there. I would just monitor and wait for the "2 hour" call out once my SC starts.

Sceanrio I have in my head:

Assigned short call a day prior for 1400 the next day, immediately call in Non contactable after assignment.
Next day at 1355 i check schedule/call scheduling and say I do not need uncontactable status anymore.

I essentially take myself off the list of any open trips they have from 1400-1600. Might not be worth all the effort for a small percentage of trips but just want to make sure i understand the strategy.


And to come off the NC status all you must do is check your schedule iCrew? You dont have to speak with scheduling?

Thanks
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Old 12-12-2024 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
No. At least, no way that I’m aware of. Because the “all flying days for award” isn’t the start date, it’s all inclusive days of the trip. So to capture the 5th day of a a 5-day, 4 of the 5 possible days will not be a proffer for a 1-day, and 3 of the days won’t be a proffer for a 2-day, and so on.

For example, today is the 12th, let’s say you put in for a Min1 Max5 with inclusive dates of 12-18th (a 5-day trip starting on the 14th is a proffer after the 2000 PCS run on the 11th, so long as you do NOT check the “award on 0700 PCS run). A 5-day leaving in the 14th ends on the 18th. A 1-day trip starting on the 15th, 16th, 17th, or 18th will simply be awarded as a WS, and you can’t turn it down…

So to prevent this, I put in WS preference 11 as a 1-day min and max, inclusive of dates today through 2 days later(the 14th), then preference 12 as a 2-day min a max, inclusive of dates today through 3 days later(the 15th - adding another day to capture the 2nd of the 2 days), then preference 13 as…. They would all be proffers through ARCOS, and I can turn them all down by not responding. Helps me keep them straight, and leaves room to slide in a specific slip as preference 1 or 9 if I see something I actually want.

I wish there was a check box for “proffered trips only”, then you could do as you wrote above. But there isn’t, so you have to go through the hoops each day, to roll all the dates forward. It’s a mild pain, but once you get it, it’s pretty quick to update each day.

Of course, that’s just for lineholders (in a Reserve thread no less). Hope that helps.
Yeah. Good technique, that makes sense. Thanks.
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Old 12-12-2024 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ohaiyo
Does this work? I know you can't move an X-day to cause a 30/168. Didn't know it worked for trips?
Yes I do it all the time to force a day off I need. For example.. let's say I have 5 days of LC coming up; I can YS 3 days before or three days before my 5 days on LC, which would force a 30/168 at some point while I was to be on call.
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