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Yesterday | 05:58 AM
#5191
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The language for the required schedule check is 23.S.1.d. That says that a RES pilot is required to check their schedule "after block in of the last flight segment of their rotation prior to their release."
I read that as your status is determined at the time of block in. The only reason that release is ever mentioned is simply because that is the time restriction placed on RES pilots as to when they have to do the required check.
I read that as your status is determined at the time of block in. The only reason that release is ever mentioned is simply because that is the time restriction placed on RES pilots as to when they have to do the required check.
RES pilot? True/False
After block in of last flight segment? True/False
Prior to release? True/False
If at any point in time all of the above are True, seems to me a schedule check is required.
Yesterday | 08:53 AM
#5192
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The block in in all caps was referencing the answer from tennisguru. And I'm actually not confused.
The fact of the matter is you stated time of release defines the status. Tennisguru stated the time of block in defines the status for the schedule check. So, that is two different answers.
The language is a little loose, but not loose enough for me to be confident in pressing to test. At this point I'm going to try my best to block in at 2329 or earlier!
The fact of the matter is you stated time of release defines the status. Tennisguru stated the time of block in defines the status for the schedule check. So, that is two different answers.
The language is a little loose, but not loose enough for me to be confident in pressing to test. At this point I'm going to try my best to block in at 2329 or earlier!
Yesterday | 09:01 AM
#5193
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Hypothetical just to test everyone's ideas.
REG pilot on last day of bid period, RES the following day.
Last day is scheduled for 3 legs (one into base and a quick penalty lap.) Releasing at 2300. So far so good, no schedule check anticipated.
However, after the first leg gets to base and blocks in at 1930, a rolling delay begins. Ultimately, the pilot is notified at 0130 the following morning (same duty period) via the gate agent that they will be released at 0200 because the penalty lap finally gets cancelled.
Schedule check required?
I'd say yes. What say thee.
REG pilot on last day of bid period, RES the following day.
Last day is scheduled for 3 legs (one into base and a quick penalty lap.) Releasing at 2300. So far so good, no schedule check anticipated.
However, after the first leg gets to base and blocks in at 1930, a rolling delay begins. Ultimately, the pilot is notified at 0130 the following morning (same duty period) via the gate agent that they will be released at 0200 because the penalty lap finally gets cancelled.
Schedule check required?
I'd say yes. What say thee.
Yesterday | 09:16 AM
#5194
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Hypothetical just to test everyone's ideas.
REG pilot on last day of bid period, RES the following day.
Last day is scheduled for 3 legs (one into base and a quick penalty lap.) Releasing at 2300. So far so good, no schedule check anticipated.
However, after the first leg gets to base and blocks in at 1930, a rolling delay begins. Ultimately, the pilot is notified at 0130 the following morning (same duty period) via the gate agent that they will be released at 0200 because the penalty lap finally gets cancelled.
Schedule check required?
I'd say yes. What say thee.
REG pilot on last day of bid period, RES the following day.
Last day is scheduled for 3 legs (one into base and a quick penalty lap.) Releasing at 2300. So far so good, no schedule check anticipated.
However, after the first leg gets to base and blocks in at 1930, a rolling delay begins. Ultimately, the pilot is notified at 0130 the following morning (same duty period) via the gate agent that they will be released at 0200 because the penalty lap finally gets cancelled.
Schedule check required?
I'd say yes. What say thee.
Yesterday | 09:25 AM
#5195
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Since pilot was REG when the last duty period reported, no, all pay for that duty period would go towards the REG month (including rotation credits since it was the last duty period of the rotation.)
Yesterday | 10:17 AM
#5196
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Yesterday | 10:35 AM
#5197
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In what circumstances does "after block in" and "prior to release" render a different answer? Just want to see your logic. Like how does a false/true wind up different from a true/true? Why does it matter what status RES/REG you are at block in vs release?
Yesterday | 10:57 AM
#5198
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I think I could also argue since the rotation is paid in the "Regular month" (due to the block out date) you are a "regular pilot" for the purposes of that rotation and the required schedule check at block in.
Yesterday | 11:03 AM
#5199
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For example, if you're a RES pilot in the middle of a rotation, you'd be TRUE/FALSE/TRUE. No requirement to check your schedule.
Or if you're a REG pilot in the middle of the month that just blocked in last leg, you're FALSE/TRUE/TRUE. No requirement to check your schedule.
But when all are true at the same time, the requirement is triggered and you're on the hook for knowing your schedule before release.
Yesterday | 11:06 AM
#5200
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You think you wouldn't have to check your schedule after flying a redeye that departs on a REG day and blocks in at 0600 on a RES day?
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