At what particular point in time though? No one contends that you need to check your schedule in the middle of a rotation. That's the crux of this discussion.

 

Not sure if you're trolling.

If at at ANY point in time you are a RES pilot that is between final-leg block-in and release from the rotation, schedule check is required before release.

If you don't check before release, you haven't fulfilled the obligation and are in unstable territory.

 

And you would be completely wrong. Pay is a separate issue from your status at any given moment.

To add, you are also wrong that pay is based on the “block out date”. As I said in an earlier comment, pay for a duty period is based on the report time of the duty period, adjusted to domicile time.

 

Nope, not trolling.

And awesome! Now you're getting specific. Where does it say that?

I can block in at 2345 and check my schedule as a REG pilot (which is not required) and I'm done. In theory, I'm not placed on LC until 0015 (at release). There are a few here contending that "at" release - not prior, but *at* release - you have to check your schedule. But nothing - anywhere I have seen - says that. I'm here looking for someone to give a reference or quote a handbook to backup what they're saying.

So far we've had "ALPA" has said so, and there have been prior "facebook posts" that have adjudicated this issue over dozens of times. Now, you are here saying that "if at ANY point in time you are a RES pilot that is between final-leg block-in and release from the rotation, schedule check is required before release." My question to you is if I block in as REG at 2345 and check my schedule at 2350, am I off the hook? Or do I need to recheck my schedule at 0015?

 

A REG pilot isn’t required to check their schedule.

 

SRH pg 108:

"Required Pre-release Schedule Check (12 G. 8.)
Reserve pilots are required to check their schedule via iCrew or the IVR prior to release of their rotation."

PWA 12.G.8.:

"In order to determine what, if any, assignment has been placed on their schedule for the period following their release, a reserve pilot is required to check their schedule via DBMS/VRU after completion of the last flight segment of a rotation and prior to release."

Note that the PWA doesn't specify a REG/RES rotation. It says "a" rotation. And "a reserve pilot."

REG/RES changes can only happen at midnight between bid periods. The underlying rotation type (REG/RES) does not matter for this.

"after completion of the last flight segment of a rotation and prior to release." is what is says. Hence my TRUE/TRUE/TRUE post from earlier in this thread.

FWIW I'm not a SME on this, I just feel that this is pretty cut and dried.

 

Someone send an inquiry to the scheduling committee and we can have a definitive answer within a day.

 

I believe your interpretation is correct. Remember the old tales: “At the stroke of 12, the fairy Gummmother waves her magic wand and you turn back into a reserve.”

 

I think it's cut and dry too.

The point is that if I block in at 2345, then 2350 is prior to release and I'm REG, and 0010 is prior to release but I'm RES. Checking my schedule at either time meets the requirement of a "pre-release schedule check" so at what point is scheduling's drop dead time to place something on my schedule? By my reading it's at block in, because I'm not required to check "at" release, only "prior to."

REG pilots have no "pre-release schedule check" so when I'm done I just go home, and start LC at 0015. Earliest something could be on my schedule is 1815 that next day. And as I think about it, isn't there some rule that says RES pilots "come out of rest for an instant at 0000." What was that about again?

 

I support the nebulous at release you become the reserve pilot.

I draw this distinction because if you look at L8 and L9 the reroute pays depend on what you started the rotation as. If it didn’t matter what you were at the start of the rotation you’d only need L9. However, since how you start matters, a pilot who is regular and gets rerouted into a reserve long call day is due L8 pay. A reserve would need the reroute to touch a ln X day or regular line day off. If they’re regular at the stroke of midnight the reroute wouldn’t need this odd specificity and they’d get L8 pay since they were a regular. However, the reserve pilot finishing in a regular line month is getting reserve L9 reroute pay.

I would also be in support of a regular pilot not receiving tag on flying if his rotation was scheduled to block in any minutes into a reserve month.