And that's why the report time is 10. You get 10 hours of rest after checking it at 0000. If you don't check it by then, that's on you.

I suppose you could argue that you're a few tens of seconds shy of 10 hours rest since you can't instantaneously check it at 00:00:00.000, but do you really want to die on that hill?

 

According to the Wykoff interpretation:

"13. 117 .25 - Rest Period: A carr;er 's collective bargaining agreement allows reserve pilots upon their own initiative to opt into an available program that involves voluntarily checking the flight schedule on a required day off The program is not mandatory. For example, a reserve pilot is scheduled for a 30-hour rest break beginning at midnight(2400) on Saturday and ending with the pilot's reserve availability period scheduled to begin at 0600 Monday. Under the voluntary program, the pilot agrees to check hisschedule online no later than 2000 hours on Sunday. The pilot does so and sees that a trip has been scheduled beginning at 1000 on Monday. The pilot accepts the trip online and.now has a report time of 0900 Monday. Is this practice permitted under Part 117?"

Answer: "Assuming that the program is in fact voluntary, it would not violate§ 117.25. However, voluntarily taking up extra duties during a rest period may violate§ 117.5 if it causes the flightcrew member to become too fatigued to safety fly the plane."

You could argue that you personally don't opt in. Therefore, you'd be required to check your schedule at midnight

 

Except you don't know if you're on LC or rest until you check, and that's illegal (and a separate issue that nobody has addressed yet). As folks have mentioned, you are also not required to check your schedule as soon as you begin LC, or at any other specific time. Therefore, you aren't even required to know if you are on LC or rest at midnight per the PWA, except that per FAR 117 you are required to know beforehand, which would require checking your schedule prior to midnight, which would violate your 30 hr rest.

They could not just call everyone at midnight and have them report 10 hrs later under the current PWA. They would have to negotiate a solution that we agreed to. Currently, they'd have to call at midnight and give 18 hours notice.

Why should any of us have to die on a hill to have a legally compliant set of work rules? The knowledge that the current system is illegal can be a benefit to us. Why are you guys so determined to paint it as a bad thing we should sweep under the rug?

 

If it was placed on the schedule 12 hours prior, the PWA waives the requirement for 18 hours. Whether or not you choose to make yourself aware is your choice. You choose to wait until you go on LC. The FARs only require 10 hours

 

You talking to me? No I don't want to die on that hill. I think what we have in place is reasonable and complies with FAR 117.

 

Prospect, feel free to take it up with ALPA, but they are going to (correctly) tell you that you are wrong, and their interpretation of this grey area is what matters to most of us. Pointless to keep going on about it here.

 

Why would I be required to check my schedule at midnight because I don't agree to voluntarily opt into a program (that is clearly not written in such a way as to make it voluntary)? That isn't written anywhere. That pilot could simply opt out, receive no notification, and not be notified under the current set of rules. Or, in reality, not have a choice if they opt in or out, "ascertain" their schedule as they are required by their PWA to do, and in doing so violate their rest and, in so doing, require another 30 hour or 10 hrs of proper rest (depending on when they checked it).

 

No, just expanding on what you said.

To somebody else: the FAA only requires 10 hours. The 18 hour call out is just a contract thing that's explicitly waived by said contact.

 

I came here looking for some logic of how I'm wrong. So far, folks have only either told me I'm right but not to worry about it, or told me I'm wrong but offered no logic as to why (such as yourself). Unless that changes, then you're right that any other discussion on it is pointless.

 

You are on Long Call at midnight unless something has been placed on your schedule prior to 1200. You can make yourself aware by the time you start Long Call (most reasonable people do this by checking their schedule after 1200) or if you want to be pedandtic you can wait until 1200 and see your assignment with your minimum 10-hr rest.

It's actually a pretty good deal, unless you'd prefer a phone call at midnight for a 1000 short call.