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Old 01-09-2022 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Funk
That's one way to look at it. You could also ask, "How badly do company decision makers hate pilots that they are willing to flaunt bennies towards FAs, while still blaming pilots for a self-induced long-term fragile manning situation?"
I missed blaming the pilots? Source?
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Old 01-09-2022 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
That’s so funny I actually think the exact opposite.

Now, but I do think is absolute BS are the completely arbitrary changes to the NFLY status currently. They are arbitrarily reducing the number of NFLY days and requiring additional testing to remain on NFLY completely outside of the LOA. That’s a problem.
It's not just NFLY silliness. I missed a RECY sim in Dec due to illness that wiped me out for the first week of the month. I had every COVID symptom except loss of taste/smell but tested negative for both flu and covid (twice). I called in well expecting a RECY sim that would allow me to get back flying. Instead they just punted me to Jan for CQ and recoded my dropped trips from NQ to SICK. WTF is going on with recoding stuff. I could have regained recency and flown 65 hours. Instead they charged me sick leave and put my trips out for GS and IA. They didn't even have the courtesy to call and ask for verification.

Now I'm out on NFLY for a positive test, before heading to CQ. This will be an interesting mess to sort out. Do we just keep adding 5 to the most recent positive COVID test.

*Mild symptoms. The biggest discomfort has been taking care of the wife and 2 kids with fever, headaches, fatigue, etc.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
It's not just NFLY silliness. I missed a RECY sim in Dec due to illness that wiped me out for the first week of the month. I had every COVID symptom except loss of taste/smell but tested negative for both flu and covid (twice). I called in well expecting a RECY sim that would allow me to get back flying. Instead they just punted me to Jan for CQ and recoded my dropped trips from NQ to SICK. WTF is going on with recoding stuff. I could have regained recency and flown 65 hours. Instead they charged me sick leave and put my trips out for GS and IA. They didn't even have the courtesy to call and ask for verification.

Now I'm out on NFLY for a positive test, before heading to CQ. This will be an interesting mess to sort out. Do we just keep adding 5 to the most recent positive COVID test.

*Mild symptoms. The biggest discomfort has been taking care of the wife and 2 kids with fever, headaches, fatigue, etc.
They are saying it needs to be a "proctored" test on day 5 or 6 to keep NFLY going. So either an at home test with some app that a doc literally watches you take a test, or just go out and wait on line for a test. It is not in accordance with LOA and even if you are negative but with symptoms I don't know how the company could claim SICK and not NFLY after you originally tested positive. They're trying to make it such a PITA to keep NFLY going that we just give up and either go in, or just revert to sick time.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
That’s so funny I actually think the exact opposite.

Them not following the contract, certainly isn't a way to get your pilots to "be reasonable."
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Old 01-09-2022 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
Im with the union on most everything. On this I believe we are wrong.

Calling out sick on a trip because you scheduled a booster shot that is easily scheduled pretty much anywhere and anytime is purely our union encouraging us to overreach.

Professionals pilots know what the alcohol limits are and accordingly drink alcohol outside of those limits. In this situation we know what the limits are in terms of booster shots and that should be scheduled as well outside of those limits.

Now, if you get a booster shot during a stretch of off days and for some reason you have a reaction that goes into a flight then of course call off.

But I do not agree that you should be able to schedule a booster shot Over a trip. It’s one thing if your symptoms go into another one beyond 48 hours but the schedule of booster purposely on top of the trip in my opinion is an overreach.
HTF can you tie alcohol consumption to the kompany violating an LOA vis-a-vis sick assessment when should be NFLY when we are doing the right thing IAW the contract?

That is some serious mental gymnastics pal

Go read what crewdawg and the rest of us wrote - again.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
A 6 hour hard min day with no accompanying control and/or rules governing rotation construction would completely obliterate any remaining trip QOL on the domestic side of the house. That is a recipe for disaster. The regionals that have min day have much lower values, usually around 4 hours. That makes the comparison questionable at best.
I think it would eliminate long sits. Considering duty rig is 1:2 that makes duty days 12 hours, just like now but with 3 additional hours of pay for a 4 day.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 05:21 PM
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I think it would eliminate long sits. Considering duty rig is 1:2 that makes duty days 12 hours, just like now but with 3 additional hours of pay for a 4 day.
It would absolutely eliminate commutability. Plus, aren't we all complaining about fatiguing rotations now? Well, I hope you enjoy your 6+ hour days and min rest overnights. At least now I can get trips with one leg to finish or one leg to start. That would be gone with a straight 6 hour min day.

The whole point of rigs and min days is to force the company to schedule more efficiently or pay a penalty. You all got too used to a company that was okay paying the penalty. It is very clear going forward that they don't intend to do it. So be prepared for those consequences because I guarantee they will squeeze out so the credit they can
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Old 01-09-2022 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
That’s so funny I actually think the exact opposite.

Now, but I do think is absolute BS are the completely arbitrary changes to the NFLY status currently. They are arbitrarily reducing the number of NFLY days and requiring additional testing to remain on NFLY completely outside of the LOA. That’s a problem.
So changing the rules outside an agreement or completely ignoring an agreement is acceptable but excercising the provisions of an agreement is unacceptable? Riiiiiiiight. Let me guess… they didn’t think we’d do that.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
It would absolutely eliminate commutability. Plus, aren't we all complaining about fatiguing rotations now? Well, I hope you enjoy your 6+ hour days and min rest overnights. At least now I can get trips with one leg to finish or one leg to start. That would be gone with a straight 6 hour min day.

The whole point of rigs and min days is to force the company to schedule more efficiently or pay a penalty. You all got too used to a company that was okay paying the penalty. It is very clear going forward that they don't intend to do it. So be prepared for those consequences because I guarantee they will squeeze out so the credit they can
They are already squeezing. That’s the productivity RG gave them. They won’t relinquish it but they will have to pay for it. Commuting is a choice (old news but true) and with positive space I think it’s a fair middle ground for the group.
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Old 01-09-2022 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
That’s so funny I actually think the exact opposite.

Now, but I do think is absolute BS are the completely arbitrary changes to the NFLY status currently. They are arbitrarily reducing the number of NFLY days and requiring additional testing to remain on NFLY completely outside of the LOA. That’s a problem.
What do you think the exact opposite on?

I shouldn’t have to call them when something is awarded incorrectly. I shouldn’t have to call them when payback days don’t go on my schedule. I shouldn’t have to question whether I was paid correctly. I shouldn’t have to use sick time when I’m sick with COVID when an LOA that they signed says I don’t need sick time for COVID.

They wouldn’t have a pilot group full of “disagreeables” or whatever Ed call the MEC if they followed the rules of the road and honored their agreements.

There is a lot of good things this company does, but their recent behavior towards the pilot group has burned many bridges.
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