4% Pay raise
03-17-2022 | 09:57 AM
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Live by the PWA, die by the PWA. I’d gladly take our process for pay and work rule improvement over the non-cons process. Good on them for getting 4%, but I don’t think that’s a slap to our faces. We are still in the process and will get far more than that.
03-17-2022 | 09:59 AM
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Why should I?
I don’t disagree with you there. I was not in favor of a mega giant contract improvement that we supposedly asked for.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Not saying we should have, but if we wanted moderate gains, we could have signed before the pandemic. But we wanted to hit a HR. We made our bed.
03-17-2022 | 10:08 AM
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Question to all who see this as a negative to the Pilots:
Would we be in stronger section 6 position vis-a-vis the RLA and the NMB with the 2 non-con pay raises or without? No need to answer, as I am being rhetorical of course. One can even make an argument that this makes full retro much easier.
I wish they would have gotten 15%
All time pax demand and pay raises being issued maybe DALPA can get something done.
Scoop.
Would we be in stronger section 6 position vis-a-vis the RLA and the NMB with the 2 non-con pay raises or without? No need to answer, as I am being rhetorical of course. One can even make an argument that this makes full retro much easier.
I wish they would have gotten 15%
All time pax demand and pay raises being issued maybe DALPA can get something done.
Scoop.
03-17-2022 | 10:18 AM
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Question to all who see this as a negative to the Pilots:
Would we be in stronger section 6 position vis-a-vis the RLA and the NMB with the 2 non-con pay raises or without? No need to answer, as I am being rhetorical of course. One can even make an argument that this makes full retro much easier.
I wish they would have gotten 15%
All time pax demand and pay raises being issued maybe DALPA can get something done.
Scoop.
Would we be in stronger section 6 position vis-a-vis the RLA and the NMB with the 2 non-con pay raises or without? No need to answer, as I am being rhetorical of course. One can even make an argument that this makes full retro much easier.
I wish they would have gotten 15%
All time pax demand and pay raises being issued maybe DALPA can get something done.
Scoop.
03-17-2022 | 10:18 AM
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How many more raises should we let the non-cons get before we deserve any raise?
03-17-2022 | 10:28 AM
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One other equalizer on our contract vs. United and AA is that Delta operates w/ 2 Captains on 4 man crews…. United does not and I think AA (help on this one) does not either. They operate w/ 1 Captain and 3 FO’s. So the 4 man crews essentially doubles the high paying potential of the Delta fleet.
03-17-2022 | 10:34 AM
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Nice rant. Doesn't change the fact at all that none of it is our problem. If the quality of the recruit gets bad enough, I can guarantee you that they will bust their OEs and THAT will get management's attention. But in a sense you are right as a friend told me he has extended about 1/month on OEs for more time. When I was on that same airplane, I probably extended 1 every other year.
Still not our problem. But we do need to pay LCPs a LOT more money.
Still not our problem. But we do need to pay LCPs a LOT more money.
03-17-2022 | 10:45 AM
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One other equalizer on our contract vs. United and AA is that Delta operates w/ 2 Captains on 4 man crews…. United does not and I think AA (help on this one) does not either. They operate w/ 1 Captain and 3 FO’s. So the 4 man crews essentially doubles the high paying potential of the Delta fleet.
03-17-2022 | 10:53 AM
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This raise is peanuts. Pure optics. 4% at the high end is what, a buck or two? If anything they should be more concerned that this is what the company thinks of them. 4% doesn't "move the needle" in these times of inflation. Not going to help pay the bills, save for college, or offset the ridiculous prices at the grocery store. I think we should be more concerned with the 200+ million they just threw at Endeavor.
I've worked a job at close to min wage and got a 6% raise once. Didn't even notice it. To get wrapped up on this is silly. 4% is nothing. Probably still less than Ed's bonus in total.
I've worked a job at close to min wage and got a 6% raise once. Didn't even notice it. To get wrapped up on this is silly. 4% is nothing. Probably still less than Ed's bonus in total.
This is an optics raise for the other groups. If we had gotten a big raise and the non union groups had nothing, there would be a union drive for those employees. This is a smart move my the company to provide a positive narrative to the other groups when we eventually get ours.
03-17-2022 | 11:08 AM
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I’m going to look at it in a glass half full way.
This is an optics raise for the other groups. If we had gotten a big raise and the non union groups had nothing, there would be a union drive for those employees. This is a smart move my the company to provide a positive narrative to the other groups when we eventually get ours.
This is an optics raise for the other groups. If we had gotten a big raise and the non union groups had nothing, there would be a union drive for those employees. This is a smart move my the company to provide a positive narrative to the other groups when we eventually get ours.
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