4% Pay raise
03-17-2022 | 01:36 PM
#61
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The issue as I see it, at this point, is we're in mediation. The mediator, if I understand it correctly, won't be using the data of other workgroups as a metric of our data. It's other airlines + walking it in from the two sides. If the company is saying "we won't budge on pilot pay" and the Union is saying "we're not budging", obviously that would lead to self-help. But we know the company is moving things at a glacial pace, because every day they do saves them money.
The mediation is ironically making things harder to move quicker.
The mediation is ironically making things harder to move quicker.
03-17-2022 | 01:46 PM
#62
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The issue as I see it, at this point, is we're in mediation. The mediator, if I understand it correctly, won't be using the data of other workgroups as a metric of our data. It's other airlines + walking it in from the two sides. If the company is saying "we won't budge on pilot pay" and the Union is saying "we're not budging", obviously that would lead to self-help. But we know the company is moving things at a glacial pace, because every day they do saves them money.
The mediation is ironically making things harder to move quicker.
The mediation is ironically making things harder to move quicker.
03-17-2022 | 01:47 PM
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One other equalizer on our contract vs. United and AA is that Delta operates w/ 2 Captains on 4 man crews…. United does not and I think AA (help on this one) does not either. They operate w/ 1 Captain and 3 FO’s. So the 4 man crews essentially doubles the high paying potential of the Delta fleet.
Delta would have 34 Capts on those 17 aircraft making top pay.
United would have 175 Capts on 175 aircraft making top pay.
34 vs 175....Not even close to being an "equilizer"
Even when we have the 44 x A-350's that we are currently forecast to have...that would still be 88 DL Capts to 175 UAL Capts, so about half.
03-17-2022 | 01:49 PM
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that $28m “offer” was not a comprehensive contract offer. That’s why it isn’t insulting.
03-17-2022 | 01:50 PM
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The $28M was only the value of the small handfull of sections that had been TA'd to that point...it was not the value of the company's entire opener.
03-17-2022 | 02:07 PM
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03-17-2022 | 02:15 PM
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Absolutely nothing.
They will continue to whine and complain about the schedules, but then continue to get the "mission" done.
Witnessed it firsthand. An individual agreed to an fdp extension then talked about being tired and how long their day was.
It was pathetic.
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03-17-2022 | 02:31 PM
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03-17-2022 | 03:14 PM
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I agree with you. It just ****es me off that I pay DALPA over $600 per month to watch the non-union employees do better than us. I've said it before. We're better off with ALPA than without, the non-union are better off having us unionized than not, but the non-unionized are better off than us.
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