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Old 12-30-2025 | 06:34 AM
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Thank you sir. Most appreciated.
Hes posted other very insightful gems over the past couple of weeks. Profound stuff and inside baseball.

Things are upside down.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 06:52 AM
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(Just seeing what happens when I straight up say it since everyone seems to always beat around it)
Say it three times fast.

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Old 12-30-2025 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
This is what I don’t understand. When you look at the revenue lost for cancelled flights in addition to the cost of premium pay to Pilots you would think the ROI for additional schedulers would be a no brainer. Then again Scoop just pawn in game of life.

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im just a pilot and it’s well established we don’t have the big picture…but I wouldn’t be surprised if the total lack of infrastructure in CS/CT comes down to management bonuses. We all know delta is a bunch of small fiefdoms rather than one kingdom when it comes to divisions. And my understanding is managers in each division get bonuses based on savings in that division, so a scheduling manager who cuts jobs to the bone and saves a few % of their budget gets a bonus off that cut. And since the extra cost of lack of schedulers does not come out of their division, there may not be an incentive to fix it. I don’t know for sure if this is the reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was a driving factor.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
im just a pilot and it’s well established we don’t have the big picture…but I wouldn’t be surprised if the total lack of infrastructure in CS/CT comes down to management bonuses. We all know delta is a bunch of small fiefdoms rather than one kingdom when it comes to divisions. And my understanding is managers in each division get bonuses based on savings in that division, so a scheduling manager who cuts jobs to the bone and saves a few % of their budget gets a bonus off that cut. And since the extra cost of lack of schedulers does not come out of their division, there may not be an incentive to fix it. I don’t know for sure if this is the reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was a driving factor.
This is the only explanation that makes sense.
It takes time for the self destructive cost cutting to have consequences that reach outside the department, be communicated to the executives in a presentation or some such, time for deliberation, then time to send a message back down from the executives to the scheduling department that their actions are having dire effects on the rest of the company.

It's not just Delta and not just the personalities of one or two managers. All companies go through these cycles, often to their own self destruction. It's infuriating to watch even when your life doesn't depend on the company like we do.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Podracer
This is the only explanation that makes sense.
It takes time for the self destructive cost cutting to have consequences that reach outside the department, be communicated to the executives in a presentation or some such, time for deliberation, then time to send a message back down from the executives to the scheduling department that their actions are having dire effects on the rest of the company.

It's not just Delta and not just the personalities of one or two managers. All companies go through these cycles, often to their own self destruction. It's infuriating to watch even when your life doesn't depend on the company like we do.
Saw the same cycle in automotive, aerospace and oil industries.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Podracer
This is the only explanation that makes sense.
It takes time for the self destructive cost cutting to have consequences that reach outside the department, be communicated to the executives in a presentation or some such, time for deliberation, then time to send a message back down from the executives to the scheduling department that their actions are having dire effects on the rest of the company.

It's not just Delta and not just the personalities of one or two managers. All companies go through these cycles, often to their own self destruction. It's infuriating to watch even when your life doesn't depend on the company like we do.
Multiple days of up to 300 cancellations while our competitors cancelled less than 20 flights should get the attention of executives.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
Multiple days of up to 300 cancellations while our competitors cancelled less than 20 flights should get the attention of executives.
They'll just give themselves bonuses and crisp high fives all around.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
im just a pilot and it’s well established we don’t have the big picture…but I wouldn’t be surprised if the total lack of infrastructure in CS/CT comes down to management bonuses. We all know delta is a bunch of small fiefdoms rather than one kingdom when it comes to divisions. And my understanding is managers in each division get bonuses based on savings in that division, so a scheduling manager who cuts jobs to the bone and saves a few % of their budget gets a bonus off that cut. And since the extra cost of lack of schedulers does not come out of their division, there may not be an incentive to fix it. I don’t know for sure if this is the reason, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was a driving factor.

I've my own recent experiences on the line where no one is able to make a decision because everyone is scared to death that they might get in trouble if they don't paint within the lines.

Bureaucracies eventually get so bloated they collapse because the mentality of "I can't get fired if I follow all the rules" ...even/especially if they make literally no sense for the situation at hand...nothing works anymore.

The story of Jack Welch at GM comes to mind. Short term profits were enormous; long term, his strategies were a disaster for GM.

Seriously hope this isn't the template going on at Big-D
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Old 12-31-2025 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Here you go...
I genuinely do not understand how this has become possible in a modern company. People should absolutely be fired for this.
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Old 12-31-2025 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
I've my own recent experiences on the line where no one is able to make a decision because everyone is scared to death that they might get in trouble if they don't paint within the lines.

Bureaucracies eventually get so bloated they collapse because the mentality of "I can't get fired if I follow all the rules" ...even/especially if they make literally no sense for the situation at hand...nothing works anymore.

The story of Jack Welch at GM comes to mind. Short term profits were enormous; long term, his strategies were a disaster for GM.

Seriously hope this isn't the template going on at Big-D
Point of order, Welch was CEO of GE.....I read his book many moons ago
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