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That's an interesting inquiry. I don't honestly know.Originally Posted by NERD
Will they show us our case file?
Delta is headquartered in GA, which doesn't have any laws requiring companies to share very much with employees on request.
However, it's incorporated in Delaware, which DOES have strong legal protections for employees who want to see their company file.
So...probably?
Anecdotally someone told me about a retiring flight attendant who did this. Supposedly (and take with a HUGE grain of salt) there were two files and he needed a strongly worded letter from an attorney to get the second one.
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Yes. .Originally Posted by NERD
Will they show us our case file?
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You can request to see your file anytime you want. There is a bunch of misinformation on this thread. Read and know your contract.Originally Posted by Crown
the issue here is that every time you talk to the CPO, your "case file" builds. It might not seem like a big deal in the moment, but the thicker your file gets, the more ammo they have to use against you. Missed commutes, sick call verifications, APU usage (yes, they track), dwell time (yes, they track), this stuff adds up. You never want to give the chief pilots any ammo to use against you. That's why these GFB's are a much bigger deal than you think.
E. Critical Items 1 2 1. A pilot will be furnished with copies of all items placed in their file pertaining to them that may be of a critical nature. They will be given the opportunity to acknowledge receipt and to make a responsive statement. Such responsive statement will be placed in the pilot's personnel file. A pilot may also file a grievance challenging any such item in their file. Items within their file that a pilot is not given an opportunity to acknowledge may not be used against them in an investigation or discipline/discharge case.
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E. Critical Items 1 2 1. A pilot will be furnished with copies of all items placed in their file pertaining to them that may be of a critical nature. They will be given the opportunity to acknowledge receipt and to make a responsive statement. Such responsive statement will be placed in the pilot's personnel file. A pilot may also file a grievance challenging any such item in their file. Items within their file that a pilot is not given an opportunity to acknowledge may not be used against them in an investigation or discipline/discharge case.
There are two files, chief. The personnel file and the unofficial "secret squirrel" file that gets updated every time a pilot interacts with the CPO. It's like pulling teeth to get a look at that file.Originally Posted by sailingfun
You can request to see your file anytime you want. There is a bunch of misinformation on this thread. Read and know your contract.E. Critical Items 1 2 1. A pilot will be furnished with copies of all items placed in their file pertaining to them that may be of a critical nature. They will be given the opportunity to acknowledge receipt and to make a responsive statement. Such responsive statement will be placed in the pilot's personnel file. A pilot may also file a grievance challenging any such item in their file. Items within their file that a pilot is not given an opportunity to acknowledge may not be used against them in an investigation or discipline/discharge case.
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that second file is the one I'm referring toOriginally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
There are two files, chief. The personnel file and the unofficial "secret squirrel" file that gets updated every time a pilot interacts with the CPO. It's like pulling teeth to get a look at that file.
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Personally, I couldn’t care less what “secret squirrel” notes the company wants to keep on me.Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
There are two files, chief. The personnel file and the unofficial "secret squirrel" file that gets updated every time a pilot interacts with the CPO. It's like pulling teeth to get a look at that file.
It’s funny how often management has been threatening to “track” pilots or add them to “lists” lately. Almost every example involves a pilot engaging in some type of contractually-protected activity that management wishes wasn’t in the contract.
Keeping the lists and files secret is an admission on management’s part that the pilot is in the right, and that there’s nothing they can do about it.
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Name a pilot whose termination was decided by any of the factors listed above.Originally Posted by Crown
the issue here is that every time you talk to the CPO, your "case file" builds. It might not seem like a big deal in the moment, but the thicker your file gets, the more ammo they have to use against you. Missed commutes, sick call verifications, APU usage (yes, they track), dwell time (yes, they track), this stuff adds up. You never want to give the chief pilots any ammo to use against you. That's why these GFB's are a much bigger deal than you think.
An offense is either terminable (a VERY high bar for a pilot), or it’s not. If a pilot actually does something that warrants termination, their superior dwell time and APU usage is not going to help them in the slightest.
I’m with tennisguru on this. I hope my file is bursting with petty crap on the day I retire.
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I think we’re a little too paranoid. There’s over 17,000 of us. I highly doubt the company is tracking APU usage and dwell time in 17,000 secret folders. Even if they do it’s useless ammo. APU usage is a should not shall. I haven’t been impressed with some of our CP’s but hardly fear they are tracking my every motion. That doesn’t mean to infer they don’t blatantly try to intimidate line pilots to do as they say instead of excusing their contractual rights. Something I have found quite odd compared to other carriers I’ve worked for. Feels more like a regional trying to scare pilots with threatening emails then a legacy carrier that treats their professional employees with respect and dignity.
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I would ask them to cross reference my NPS score for passenger comfort during boarding.Originally Posted by Avgeek7248
I think we’re a little too paranoid. There’s over 17,000 of us. I highly doubt the company is tracking APU usage and dwell time in 17,000 secret folders. Even if they do it’s useless ammo. APU usage is a should not shall. I haven’t been impressed with some of our CP’s but hardly fear they are tracking my every motion. That doesn’t mean to infer they don’t blatantly try to intimidate line pilots to do as they say instead of excusing their contractual rights. Something I have found quite odd compared to other carriers I’ve worked for. Feels more like a regional trying to scare pilots with threatening emails then a legacy carrier that treats their professional employees with respect and dignity.
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