Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
06-08-2025 | 05:14 AM
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If the child’s sickness kept you up and you are fatigued, call in fatigued.
But the PWA defines sickness as a personal medical condition. Every pilot is the final authority on when they are able to exercise the privileges of their medical certificate. If you determine that your family members common cold causes you sufficient stress to fail IMSAFE, call in sick, but be prepared to explain that to your CPO and get a doctors note for it if required.
But the PWA defines sickness as a personal medical condition. Every pilot is the final authority on when they are able to exercise the privileges of their medical certificate. If you determine that your family members common cold causes you sufficient stress to fail IMSAFE, call in sick, but be prepared to explain that to your CPO and get a doctors note for it if required.
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06-08-2025 | 06:30 AM
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Has anyone had recent experience with two back-to-back trips where the first runs late and cuts into the 10 hours of required rest for the next trip? How is the Co handling that? Just pushing back the sign-in/dept time for the next trip, or removing the first round trip, or 23k? TIA
06-08-2025 | 07:04 AM
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What company do you work for? We don’t have to explain anything to the CPO. If they need a sick note, you don’t need to provide specific details. Just get a doctor to write a note explaining that you are not fit to fly. There is no need to go into details about the stress of getting your kid to the doctor then waiting for our crappy health insurance to get a prescription filled.
While I agree with you that the company has no business knowing why we’ve called out sick, the PWA wasn’t written that way. The “nature of the sickness” garbage should absolutely have no place in our contract. It isn’t legal in some states either — not that the company has any interest in complying with state law.
06-08-2025 | 07:15 AM
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“Such pilot may be required to state the nature of their sickness in general terms to their Chief Pilot.” (14.F.4) and “Doctor's certificate” means written verification from a doctor with whom a pilot has a bona fide patient relationship, indicating in general terms the nature of the pilot's sickness.” (14.A.2).
While I agree with you that the company has no business knowing why we’ve called out sick, the PWA wasn’t written that way. The “nature of the sickness” garbage should absolutely have no place in our contract. It isn’t legal in some states either — not that the company has any interest in complying with state law.
While I agree with you that the company has no business knowing why we’ve called out sick, the PWA wasn’t written that way. The “nature of the sickness” garbage should absolutely have no place in our contract. It isn’t legal in some states either — not that the company has any interest in complying with state law.
Also tested the " bona fied" relationship. Often the MD providing the note is not my PCM as that person is a PA.
I agree the language in the PWA is archaic, in our modern healthcare system often the health care provider we have a "bona fide" relationship with is not a medical doctor but rather a PA or NP.
06-08-2025 | 07:39 AM
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Has anyone had recent experience with two back-to-back trips where the first runs late and cuts into the 10 hours of required rest for the next trip? How is the Co handling that? Just pushing back the sign-in/dept time for the next trip, or removing the first round trip, or 23k? TIA
06-08-2025 | 08:04 AM
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Has anyone had recent experience with two back-to-back trips where the first runs late and cuts into the 10 hours of required rest for the next trip? How is the Co handling that? Just pushing back the sign-in/dept time for the next trip, or removing the first round trip, or 23k? TIA
06-08-2025 | 08:15 AM
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last time I checked fatigued and stress are part of IMSAFE and is a personal medical condition. The point I’m making is, the more the company wants to flex their muscles on sickness the more people will find ways, legally,’to do so. A simple head cold worked into a seizure for my buddies kid. I can assure you the next few times his kid was sick he wasn’t fit to fly. That’s the point of sick.
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06-08-2025 | 08:32 AM
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