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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:16 AM
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Why is this outside of Section 6? Even though scope is extremely important for us, it just opens the door for the company to have an excuse to negotiate things that are more important to them outside of Section 6 (ie LCA pay). Seems hypocritical of us.
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Love the Global based approach rolling all JV partners into one agreement while still providing some level of theatre protection. Also love the immediate job based remediation vs long drawn out grievance that yields $200.

Overall it seems like our Scope Language went from a Blackberry to an iPhone 13 Pro Max

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You haven’t seen one word on the agreement yet you already “love it”. Somebody’s side gig must pay pretty well.
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Why is this outside of Section 6? Even though scope is extremely important for us, it just opens the door for the company to have an excuse to negotiate things that are more important to them outside of Section 6 (ie LCA pay). Seems hypocritical of us.
it’s not outside of s6. This is an update on whole contact negotiations.
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Why is this outside of Section 6? Even though scope is extremely important for us, it just opens the door for the company to have an excuse to negotiate things that are more important to them outside of Section 6 (ie LCA pay). Seems hypocritical of us.
Scope is the most important section of the Delta PWA. It's directly related to Delta pilot jobs. Negotiating gains to Scope outside of section 6 is completely warranted and perhaps preferred. LCA/SLI pay bumps only affect a few pilots and benefits the company's staffing issues. Absolutely not necessary or desired to negotiate that outside Section 6

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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:25 AM
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it’s not outside of s6. This is an update on whole contact negotiations.
Incorrect. The Scope agreement is an AIP that is in the proceeds of becoming a TA which will be sent to the pilots for Ratification if approved by the MEC. Looks like Delta pilots will have 2 TAs to vote on in 2022

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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Why is this outside of Section 6? Even though scope is extremely important for us, it just opens the door for the company to have an excuse to negotiate things that are more important to them outside of Section 6 (ie LCA pay). Seems hypocritical of us.
From the MEC Email:

"This agreement has been reached independently from the current Section 6 negotiations. This provides Delta pilots the opportunity to evaluate whether the agreement stands on its own merits."
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Global based lumps all the Widebody JV into one and guarantees one for one growth. It simplifies the previous theatre based structure and allows the company to grow WB flying where it makes the most money while still maintaining some level of theatre protection. Downside is if a particular pilot likes a specific kind of WB flying that is reduced to fly elsewhere more profitly ie current Pacific flying they might be alittle aggravated.

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OK. Everything you said is a win for management and not the pilots and is not complete. If they only have to do say 50% global Delta flying then they can draw market A to zero and an equal size B to 100% vs if every market has to be at least 50% and the company needs market B to be 100% Delta for whatever reason and market A is required to stay 50% Delta then that is a loss of many pilot jobs under the Global market plan. I don’t see this as a win for Delta pilots but a big win for management. But the jobs based remedy MAY make it worth it.
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:33 AM
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The real question is who wants this more? Who pushed to have it negotiated outside of section 6? If the company wants it that bad, hold it hostage for a TA on our contract.
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:35 AM
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OK. Everything you said is a win for management and not the pilots and is not complete. If they only have to do say 50% global Delta flying then they can draw market A to zero and an equal size B to 100% vs if every market has to be at least 50% and the company needs market B to be 100% Delta for whatever reason and market A is required to stay 50% Delta then that is a loss of many pilot jobs under the Global market plan. I don’t see this as a win for Delta pilots but a big win for management. But the jobs based remedy MAY make it worth it.
give him a couple minutes to check with the handlers. Being a NB guy and not having the actual language in front of him, it’s takes a bit to get things together…
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Old 05-16-2022 | 08:37 AM
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Y'all need to chillax and wait for the language.
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