I respect your perspective. To me this is the beginning of the next phase of Delta's rise. After creating a robust domestic network over the past 10 years that resulted in Delta leading the entire globe in pilot hiring, big opportunity to exists in the international markets. Competitors wiped out and a glut of Widebodies are available for cheap. Delta continues to receive 330 and 359 deliveries. With Delta WB growth over the next few years I wouldn't be surprised to see new hires going to the 350, or 2007 or later hires on the 350/330/765 A postions. The future is bright, and it's a wonderful time to be a Delta pilot. I believe the Scope language will reflect that

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How could anyone think this after the billions and billions Delta sank into foreign carriers over the past 10 years? If Delta really wanted to do this flying this scope agreement would have been out a year ago. And we'd already have a TA allowing us to actually hire pilots. Delta wants to do the minimum amount of flying they can get away with and still make a buck without having to use Delta employees. Delta is only following the globalization model of the last 30 years.

 

Again, hes just re explaining his worldview. If you ask why hes so optimistic hes just going to tell you why hes optimistic. He believes being optimistic is how you get to be successful, another derivative of magic thinking like youre rich because god loves you so if god loves you will be rich. Theres no substance there, just optimism.

Wait for the language.

 

Do Delta Pilots not Read Part II:

Highlights include:

Establishes a one-for-one growth guarantee of widebody flying relative to Delta’s partners

Requirement for Delta to re-establish its share of pre-Covid international flying

Eliminates the patchwork approach to scope by consolidating all long-haul partner flying into one durable agreement which accounts for changes to partnerships and geography

Agreement includes flying performed by:

Joint Venture partners

Partners in which Delta has a significant ownership stake

Any partner that carries greater than a defined number of Delta passengers

Future partners that meet the above criteria

Protections that ensure Delta is not left out of flying in the Atlantic, Pacific and South American geographic theaters

Compliance measurements on a quarterly basis with no buffers or cure periods

Automatic and immediate widebody staffing remediation in the event of non-compliance

Strengthened contractual force majeure and partner control provisions



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Preparing to be underwhelmed, 26 years here and 30+ with ALPA.

Nothing should be done outside of section 6..

Why squander leverage? They want something? Good

So do we.

 

Sorry Trip7, you got it wrong! (and haven't corrected yourself) DALPA's original basis for negotiating Scope outside of Sec 6 has long since passed and we are now in the midst of sec 6 negotiations. This Scope AIP should be rolled right into the completed sections of Sec 6, and used as leverage for completing all remaining sections! Is SHOULD NOT be considered separately as an LOA any longer. Management needs to be incentivized to aggressively move forward with our current negotiations, this will help accomplish that. Please give a single reason why we should consider this as an LOA outside of Sec 6?

 

At this point all the signs are out there for folks to make their own conclusions. You can believe the 765s are going back to full Int'l or you can think they will do uncommutable transcons to infinity. You can believe the 330NEOs and 359 deliveries are coming for Int'l growth or you can believe they are here to do ATL-SLC. Bid Accordingly

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I appreciate your optimism, but our history doesn’t reflect the idea of large scale growth of international flying. Delta has shown with its billions invested into foreign carriers that it would rather have the lower paid crews of JV partners do the heavy lifting while we share in the revenue. I doubt very much that they would optimistically tout this agreement if they didn’t think it would benefit the company, which by definition almost assuredly means we pilots, once again, do not.

 

Everyone take a chill pill.
I am astounded that so many are quick to praise or fold arms and “vote no”.
Out of “yes”, “no”, and “unknown”, the default mindset should be “unknown” right now. I’m glad the MEC and management shared an update. That’s great. But until we get some language and explanation to read, learn how to wait and reserve judgement.

All along they said the global scope would be done outside of the rest of the contract and go to Memrat, BECAUSE it’s that significant.

 

The history of the airline business as a profitable business (outside of COVID) hasn't been long. The business model just started being reasonable good most Legacy mergers and that's mainly been domestic. Big opportunities now exist internationally as multiple Emerging market economies are experiencing rapid growth. Latin America and Asia(Post zero COVID policies) present incredible opportunities for Delta metal growth

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