Originally Posted by Bergman

One theory is if the company agrees to several side agreements before the main contract, then the final agreement doesn’t seem so costly to shareholders, other employees groups, etc. I’ll take 5 $200M improvements now vs holding out another year for a $1B win.

Originally Posted by Trip7

With everything there should be moderation and balance. The language should give the company flexibility to fly WBs where it makes the most profit but at the same time include language so an entire theatre can't be pulled to zero.

From the Chairman's Letter:

Protections that ensure Delta is not left out of flying in the Atlantic, Pacific and South American geographic theaters



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Originally Posted by sailingfun

So we are going to settle for ⅓ of what we were asking for 3 years ago?

Originally Posted by DALFA

What were the financial results for DAL in 2019? What did the balance sheet look like? (3 years ago)

What are the financial results forecast for 2022? What's the balance sheet look like?

Surely you can understand how the negotiating environment was much more favorable in 2019 than what it is now. No?

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms

The language is going to be key here. Reading between the lines is that the company wants to pull down what little Pacific flying we have due to the fact that Asia still hasn’t reopened. While I get why the company would want that, I’m a local in the “Gateway to Asia” city. That bodes ill for the future of widebodies in SEA. Plus Pacific flying is much easier on my body and has a higher degree of augmentation.

Theatre language would have to be rock-solid to get my vote. Hoping I’ll be pleasantly surprised but not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg

China is in the toilet. China ≠ Asia. China is in the beginning of the end for the CCP. The country is entering their own lost decade.

Other counties like Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand are going to pick up the manufacturing slack while Singapore, Korea and to a lesser extent, Japan and Australia will lead the financial sectors.

Lots of TPAC flying to be had in the next 2-5 years. China is very quickly becoming a has-been.

Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg

China is in the toilet. China ≠ Asia. China is in the beginning of the end for the CCP. The country is entering their own lost decade.

Other counties like Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand are going to pick up the manufacturing slack while Singapore, Korea and to a lesser extent, Japan and Australia will lead the financial sectors.

Lots of TPAC flying to be had in the next 2-5 years. China is very quickly becoming a has-been.

Originally Posted by Trip7

China is a freight training running down hill at the USA and there is nothing stopping it. China will be the biggest economy in the world here shortly. Once they get over their idiotic zero COVID stance and open up to the world again their economy will be back at full speed. Nearly every thing of substance in the USA, is made in China. Where would the US's largest company, Apple, be without China? They're aren't going to make all those iPhones in Vietnam

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Originally Posted by Planetrain

Everyone take a chill pill.
I am astounded that so many are quick to praise or fold arms and “vote no”.
Out of “yes”, “no”, and “unknown”, the default mindset should be “unknown” right now. I’m glad the MEC and management shared an update. That’s great. But until we get some language and explanation to read, learn how to wait and reserve judgement.

All along they said the global scope would be done outside of the rest of the contract and go to Memrat, BECAUSE it’s that significant.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

It is likely a trial balloon on scope. If it fails miserably, they haven't lost all of the work on the TA and can pull $$ from the open sections to fix scope. Let the pilots decide.







Spoken like a pilot with no WB experience. All NB flying is the same too right? 1 leg/day to an all inclusive is the same as 5/day to the villes and burgs...



Final language matters. Is it 1:1 airplanes or 1:1 pilot jobs (hint: we care about jobs not airframes)? Replacing 2x12 hr pacific flights replaced with 3x8hr Atlantic flights is a big loss for the pilots.

48 WB A hours + 48 WB B hours could be replaced with 24 WB A hours and 48 WB B hours. And yes "We DO think they would do that!" What about the 2 pilot Atlantic out of BOS? I share your optimism that our negotiators worked through the obvious loopholes and wouldn't agree to something this obvious. Our fleet plans of 4 pilot (A350) and 3/4 pilot (A330) airframes would lend to keeping a reasonable balance, especially with the IGW A350s on order.







I agree 100% The exact language matters. If 4 pilot trips can be replaced with 3 pilot trips on a "1:1" basis its an automatic no.