notEnuf

Just vote yes because they said so. TAs have the backing of the union or they wouldn't be TAs. (sarc)

theUpsideDown

Hopefully there are examples we can read along with but no language is perfect and youre always going to have intent of language discussions.
we gotta wait for the language but i am pretty excited at piecemeal deals. Contracts are easier to resolve once sections are signed off or passed. Stay away from section 6 if at all possible and just keep passing LOAs as you go that improve the contract when you have the leverage.

My guess is there's going to be nothing in there about regional jet scope but i hope im wrong. Wouldnt mind seeing both RJs and widebodies at delta going forward.

ChazzMMichaels

This is a good point. I will not be trusting ALPA to give me an objective interpretation. Once they send it for memrat, they have a vested interest in spinning the positive. We all saw what happened to the MEC that sent us a TA that failed memrat. The question is, who do we trust for objectivity? FWIW I won't be trusting anything I read on here that much either. Piece all the inputs together and make the best judgment you can?

NuGuy

For historical perspective, TAs on LOAs didn't used to get sent to MEMRAT. The MEC just voted on it and that was that, you had to deal with it. Had the MEC really wanted to keep that kind of twist on it, why did they change the way LOAs are ratified to default to MEMRAT?

TED74

It’s worth noting that the MEC negotiated the pay bump for new hires stuck on training pay awaiting OE without any input from the masses. Personally, I think we should have MEMRAT’d that. Don’t get me wrong, they should absolutely get the same retro pay we should get, but we should all do it together. New hires and potential new hires should have seen how management values them when deciding where to offer their services…not how motivated the NYC reps were (good on them) to fight for their union brethren. No reason we couldn’t have AIP’d training pay and locked in retro on it to set the precedent we’re all seeking.

PilotBases

Think you and I both saw the benefits of the constant LOA factory at EDV. There’s definitely lessons to be learned from that model, as it made it a continual drag better for years. Hard to say what works better at a legacy where the nature of the contract/staffing/retention and career longevity all come into play, of course.

ChazzMMichaels

This doesn't eliminate the consequences of a failed memrat and the pressure they will feel to avoid it.

Edit: I believe this will be the first serious test on the point you're making, so we shall see how it goes

FlexManFlex

Or vote yes because you want to like I will be doing. Vote no if you don’t want to like you will be doing. That’s the beauty of it. Don’t judge someone for having a different opinion.

JustNarced

So we have enough wide bodies on property and enough scheduled for delivery to fly more WB block hours than at any time in history, assuming the ER's really stay. Management's limitation is that they cannot place code on more than 40% of a foreign carrier on a route segment. Not an issue if we operate that segment. So management wants to go over 40% on a foreign carrier and that will allow Delta pilots to fly more WB block hours? It doesn't make sense to me. Haven't made up my mind, but didn't the ALPA scope compliance officer from national take a management position at Delta, on Delta's behalf, to negotiate this? How could allowing Delta to place code on 100% of a given Korean flight allow us to grow in EU? Why wouldn't we just expand in EU anyways and keep the 40% limitation in place at Korean? Especially if 321s are flying the 8.5 hour stuff out of JFK and BOS. What exactly will the WB then be flying?

I know, I jumped around a bit in there.

scrmhalf

I’m voting yes because I’m senior. Everyone with 10yrs or more to go should vote NO for these reasons:
-This should be part of an overall TA vote. To separate it out is stupid
-if we are voting on this separately, we need money( pay raise to go with it)
- What exactly is the benefit to pilots immediately? Not some down the road promise of growth.
- this is a total win for the company. They’ve wanted this for a long time
- just remember, DALPA negotiated the Pacific scope to replace the Nartita required slots.
after the LOA was signed, DAL shut down Narita flying and outsourced almost all of our Pacific flying
Less than 10yrs?
vote no