30% Raise DOS and 25% DC
09-02-2022 | 03:59 PM
#281
Really got furloughed
Joined: Aug 2015
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From: Gramercy Riffs
Booger, if you’re just wanting someone to say it - you got screwed in the merger.
There. Feel better?
Now move on. Nobody gives two sh1ts and a popsicle anymore, least of all the poor FOs trapped next to you while you rant.
There. Feel better?
Now move on. Nobody gives two sh1ts and a popsicle anymore, least of all the poor FOs trapped next to you while you rant.
09-02-2022 | 06:28 PM
#282
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,058
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From: Capt
Big picture. While you are getting aggravated about a couple posts the same guys that took the absolute minimum and sold it during the merger, TA 2012/2015 are now doing their duty to lower your expectations. Watch the feet buddy. I’m not the issue.
09-02-2022 | 07:26 PM
#283
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Joined: Aug 2020
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From: A320 CA
If we are bound by the RLA, we need to get a bill through congress that we have government backed pensions on par with what UPS has in terms of % of pay and YOS. If we have to live with all the constrictions of the RLA, then we damn well deserve to get a very generous government backed pension to go with it.
Again, I don't see how it would be all that difficult to attach and pass with another bill.
Edit: Second thought, maybe even better than pension from the feds would be government sponsored 15% DC, just like most of the majors enjoy now, but on-top of that from Uncle Sam, to supplement the 15% the company gives.
Again, I don't see how it would be all that difficult to attach and pass with another bill.
Edit: Second thought, maybe even better than pension from the feds would be government sponsored 15% DC, just like most of the majors enjoy now, but on-top of that from Uncle Sam, to supplement the 15% the company gives.
Fact is, what the industry should be laser focused on is separating commercial airlines from the RLA so that we can actually flex our organized strength as a labor group. Problem is, we are already by far the highest paid pilots in the world and I can’t imagine a bill like this getting 60 votes to get through a filibuster. Idk how renconcilation or whatever works where you can avoid the filibuster like the dems just did, but maybe that would work.
Either way, as long as we are bound by the RLA pilots will not be allowed to strike on a significant scale. The politicos will never allow that.
09-02-2022 | 07:45 PM
#284
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Joined: Apr 2018
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I’m sure the republicans would love to support union’s getting a combined 30% direct contribution l to their retirement. AOC and Bernie would also support taxpayers subsidizing the retirements of pilots making over $300k a year. Sounds like a political winner to me.
Fact is, what the industry should be laser focused on is separating commercial airlines from the RLA so that we can actually flex our organized strength as a labor group. Problem is, we are already by far the highest paid pilots in the world and I can’t imagine a bill like this getting 60 votes to get through a filibuster. Idk how renconcilation or whatever works where you can avoid the filibuster like the dems just did, but maybe that would work.
Either way, as long as we are bound by the RLA pilots will not be allowed to strike on a significant scale. The politicos will never allow that.
Fact is, what the industry should be laser focused on is separating commercial airlines from the RLA so that we can actually flex our organized strength as a labor group. Problem is, we are already by far the highest paid pilots in the world and I can’t imagine a bill like this getting 60 votes to get through a filibuster. Idk how renconcilation or whatever works where you can avoid the filibuster like the dems just did, but maybe that would work.
Either way, as long as we are bound by the RLA pilots will not be allowed to strike on a significant scale. The politicos will never allow that.
Easy peasy....you use "Executive Order" to circumvent the other branches of government. Seems like a precedent has been set already.
09-02-2022 | 08:38 PM
#285
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Joined: Nov 2020
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I’m sure the republicans would love to support union’s getting a combined 30% direct contribution l to their retirement. AOC and Bernie would also support taxpayers subsidizing the retirements of pilots making over $300k a year. Sounds like a political winner to me.
Fact is, what the industry should be laser focused on is separating commercial airlines from the RLA so that we can actually flex our organized strength as a labor group. Problem is, we are already by far the highest paid pilots in the world and I can’t imagine a bill like this getting 60 votes to get through a filibuster. Idk how renconcilation or whatever works where you can avoid the filibuster like the dems just did, but maybe that would work.
Either way, as long as we are bound by the RLA pilots will not be allowed to strike on a significant scale. The politicos will never allow that.
Fact is, what the industry should be laser focused on is separating commercial airlines from the RLA so that we can actually flex our organized strength as a labor group. Problem is, we are already by far the highest paid pilots in the world and I can’t imagine a bill like this getting 60 votes to get through a filibuster. Idk how renconcilation or whatever works where you can avoid the filibuster like the dems just did, but maybe that would work.
Either way, as long as we are bound by the RLA pilots will not be allowed to strike on a significant scale. The politicos will never allow that.
09-03-2022 | 10:01 AM
#286
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From: ATL 330 A
JCBA 1, LOA 19, and JCBA 2 happened before the SLI, so I don’t see how they apply to the case. Letter 19 was the natural and proper response to the actions of the Northwest MEC; the answer to any ultimatum must be “no.” The Northwest pilots certainly over estimated the character of Dave Stevens.
09-03-2022 | 10:53 AM
#287
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Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Capt
JCBA 1, LOA 19, and JCBA 2 happened before the SLI, so I don’t see how they apply to the case. Letter 19 was the natural and proper response to the actions of the Northwest MEC; the answer to any ultimatum must be “no.” The Northwest pilots certainly over estimated the character of Dave Stevens.
Like the Newbies said, they could give a **** about the SLI talk. Some are too busy wanting to talk about their 1 year upgrade, how they got stuck at the regionals, you know, their grips. Works both ways. Although 99% of crews are great.
Warning to the wise. Watch the screen names and their message. You will see a familiar rhetoric.
09-03-2022 | 03:22 PM
#289
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From: Middle Seat
Well…this thread escalated quickly.
Back to the topic, 30% and 20% should be the min going forward.
Honestly the 30% feels low, and unless the IRS bumps up the company’s contribution limits, anything over 20% feels like negotiating a back door pay raise to the first number.
Back to the topic, 30% and 20% should be the min going forward.
Honestly the 30% feels low, and unless the IRS bumps up the company’s contribution limits, anything over 20% feels like negotiating a back door pay raise to the first number.
09-03-2022 | 05:41 PM
#290
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Joined: Jun 2008
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From: LAX 350 A
Well…this thread escalated quickly.
Back to the topic, 30% and 20% should be the min going forward.
Honestly the 30% feels low, and unless the IRS bumps up the company’s contribution limits, anything over 20% feels like negotiating a back door pay raise to the first number.
Back to the topic, 30% and 20% should be the min going forward.
Honestly the 30% feels low, and unless the IRS bumps up the company’s contribution limits, anything over 20% feels like negotiating a back door pay raise to the first number.
Cost of living roughly doubles every 20 years so I figure we are working for 50% of C2K rates.
