Retro Pay Resolution
10-18-2022 | 07:16 PM
#21
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This seems dumb to me.
Why not just amend our bylaws to say, “we must have ten percent raises every year”?
Its nice that we put it in, but that doesn’t mean anything to the company in regards to what gets signed in the end.
Why not just amend our bylaws to say, “we must have ten percent raises every year”?
Its nice that we put it in, but that doesn’t mean anything to the company in regards to what gets signed in the end.
10-19-2022 | 05:07 AM
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The company needs to know that if they drag out a negotiation an entire contract cycle, it will cost the same PERIOID. The flip side is that it will cost them twice as much going through a strike first. And yes, after the company's measly offer, the mediator is going to cut us loose.
10-19-2022 | 06:23 AM
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The company needs to know that if they drag out a negotiation an entire contract cycle, it will cost the same PERIOID. The flip side is that it will cost them twice as much going through a strike first. And yes, after the company's measly offer, the mediator is going to cut us loose.
10-19-2022 | 06:33 AM
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I’m not saying I have a guess as to what we’ll get. But if someone says “I want full retro,” that’s the expectation. Fully retroactive pay rate. I’ll let the union negotiators decide what makes sense to put to a TA vote. I’ve let the reps know what I’d like to see and I don’t need to negotiate it in public, but that term does have a meaning.
10-19-2022 | 06:49 AM
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[QUOTE=Excargodog;3515008]
IT would be nice if we had one.
Some cruises are long.
No rewards for sending inexperienced negotiators lacking job knowledge. No rewards for dragging their feet. No rewards for public negotiations and attempting to pit other employee groups against us. Retro is a must as a deterrent to this same BS next negotiation.[/QUOTE]
The RLA favors management in dragging out negotiations. An IRONCLAD retro policy is the only possible way to offset that. And it needs to be implemented ALPA-wide, profession wide if possible.
No rewards for sending inexperienced negotiators lacking job knowledge. No rewards for dragging their feet. No rewards for public negotiations and attempting to pit other employee groups against us. Retro is a must as a deterrent to this same BS next negotiation.[/QUOTE]
The RLA favors management in dragging out negotiations. An IRONCLAD retro policy is the only possible way to offset that. And it needs to be implemented ALPA-wide, profession wide if possible.
10-19-2022 | 06:51 AM
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10-19-2022 | 06:54 AM
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Retro is not going to happen. That ship sailed after year two of negotiations.
Focus on some kind of “signing bonus”.
Same for everyone? Seat specific? Seniority based? Based on total earnings over negotiations timeframe?
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Focus on some kind of “signing bonus”.
Same for everyone? Seat specific? Seniority based? Based on total earnings over negotiations timeframe?
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Management won't sign off on that, and ALPA ain't gonna press for it.
"Signing bonus" is a limp dick as you can get and spits in the face of those that retired with an unresolved contract. What incentive is there for anyone 'retiring' in the next few years to want to wait for anything at this point? Give us a contract and let's sign it and move on.
10-19-2022 | 06:57 AM
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Honest question. If full retro is unachievable, but a "signing bonus" is a slap in the face, what happy medium would you find acceptable? Does such a hypothetical thing even exist?
10-19-2022 | 07:11 AM
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Personally, if they got increases for CPI inflation plus even 1% for the years prior to the China Flu, and the big increase based on inflation plus a lot more for 2022, that would be a reasonable compromise. I don't expect a 20% pay increase back to the amendable, that is not reasonable nor is it fair to the company. But to give the company a free pass and not get ANYTHING for the last 3 years is completely unacceptable and gives the company the go ahead to drag out any future contracts without fear of actually paying you for work done. This is YOUR contract. If you are willing to reward management for this behavior, don't whine when they do it the next time.. and the next... and the next....
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