The threat to non rev is NOT PSC, it's overlooking, plain and simple. I'm still flabbergasted that there would be an active campaign against helping our fellow aviators get to work. Their ability to get to work is not only a win for the commuter, but could be a huge benefit for those in base. If a commuter can't get to work for example .. someone's getting rerouted. Possibly green slip, but higher probability for reroute. I hope it's not you rerouted from a choice trip into a commuters crappy one. But overall, why in the world would we ever try and deny or take an option away from any of our fellow coworkers? Just because you don't use it today, doesn't mean you won't in the future.

 

Do people still non-rev to vacations? With loads the way they are I can’t imagine trying to non-rev with a family.

 

I think the biggest thing that hackles people’s feathers is that we still have a positive space to get to work if we give ourselves 2 flights but the fact that there are 35 percent less flights than pre Covid makes it difficult for the 2 flight rule ,so until the flight frequencies go back to pre Covid levels the policy should still remain for PS one flight to work . I was hired early 90’s and for many , many years we had no PS to work . It was great when the Union got the new commute policy for positive space second flight but that was at a time when there were way more flights than now . Also (at least in my opinion ) if we are able to get positive space to work then we should be good enough to get positive space home after completing the trip and making money for the company (Delta/Endeavor) . That’s the real issue with this whole thing is getting positive space home and just having 1 ps flight to work until the frequency of flights returns pre Covid . If we are important enough to get to work , then we should be important enough to get PS home . It should be a priority with the Union and the company considering over half the DL/9E pilots are commuters . Nothing should have to be given up for it . PS to and from work should be a normal part of Airline operations and life moving forward. I guess it’s probably a 70/30 split on how everyone feels about keeping it with 70 percent for keeping it ? Feel free to throw food at me 😂

 

I non rev some but mostly if it’s a once in a while family trip we either get confirmed space for less tickets far in advance on Delta or get tickets on Southwest .

 

I'm not sure what you mean overlooking is a threat to non- reving?

I don't know that I've heard of an active campaign. It made sense for positive space commuting during the pandemic but I'm glad that the policy has sunset along with many of the other pandemic policies.

Maybe the way to fix the reroute issue is to actually improve our reroute language or improve our reserve staffing to accommodate that.

I would never suggest denying someone the ability to get to work. Just as I'd never suggest denying a ramp worker with 1 day seniority to me getting the last seat to New York because I didn't plan my commute appropriately.

Let's be honest. Most people didn't have an issue getting to work prior to the PSC loa. Those that did were usually the ones cutting it too close.

Positive space communing makes it harder to non-rev. That's been my experience and logic supports that.

I dont support positive space commuting for that reason. It erodes my seniority.

 

Think he meant over-booking

 

all the time, yes

 

If we don't get PSC, then pilots commuting should have their pass rider priority follow the logic of Jumpseats priority:
TO WORK = S1B
FROM WORK = S1C

Airfix flying for leisure = S2/S3


Easy low cost/no cost item.

 

This is dumb, every single time I've called and talked to crew scheduling on my FIRST flight option and asked for a seat they give it to me. The company doesn't care about your non-rev seniority, they care about keeping the planes in the air. Besides, this comes into play how often? Once every two years? I've never been screwed over by a pilot trying to get to work, I have been screwed by phantom S1A's and rogue gate agents. Other pilots aren't your enemy. Logic may support your theory but in reality you are just yelling at the clouds.

 

It really is dumb. PSC does not erode anyone’s seniority. Everyone still gets on as a non-rev according to their date of hire.

Also, it blows my mind that people who make upwards of $200k/year don’t just buy tickets. We even have a discounted option! You know what our loads are like, you’re making the conscious choice to do that to yourself.

Stop being such cheapskates. It’s pathetic and embarrassing hearing highly compensated pilots whine about nonrevving. It’s like seeing boomers scream at fast food employees for getting their order slightly wrong. Embarrassing.