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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
I like my time off as does my wife and family. Whenever I chase PB days or try to roll thunder I get eye rolls from the family because I’m constantly on icrew and put myself on SC (so to speak) on my days off and days on LC. I may be technically working less, but I’m never really off. I’m like a corporate pilot chained to the pager waiting for the next call. We make plans to go out to dinner on a Friday night and I’m the weirdo loading my luggage works in the trunk, “just-in-case”. Football games are interrupted by that ARCOS phone call when I’m least expecting it. My weekend isn’t a weekend anymore. This isn’t a way I want to live my life (nor does my family). Am I doing it wrong? Where is the QOL on reserve that everyone seems to find so sacrosanct? When I was new and on reserve, reserve was at least partially liveable because we were full at 70 hours and the schedule was lowest hours out first. Now it’s morphed into a quest for 180 hours and max PB days. Where can I move my X days to torpedo RAW???? This schedule vaporizer isn’t the QOL I’m going for, it certainly is a money maker though.

Yes, you are doing it wrong. I do the reserve GS game and do none of what you listed. I live my life as I normally do, I don't take my bag to dinner (I'll have a beer anyway) and I certainly don't sit around on my self-imposed SC. I'll only occasionally check MiCrew because it doesn't really matter, either ARCOS will call or it will not. The only thing that changes is that I may look at my phone if ARCOS calls, which is no more of an "interruption" than any other text/call. If it conflicts with my plans or I don't want to do it, I decline and go about my business. Nearly every GS I've taken this year was next day anyway.

Not everyone who does the reserve GS game is doing rolling thunder. Being able to drop PB days and break your reserve blocks up into single day blocks is a huge gain in QOL and negates the need for rolling thunder. Not everyone is searching for 180 hours, I'm quite content with getting my ~100 hours while flying less than 5 days/month.


Originally Posted by MrBojangles
that’s widebody intl pilots. Not the vast majority of us

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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
When I have bid reserve and most senior Guys I know bid reserve it’s to stay home and not work. Payback days would have no impact on that choice.
One of the more tone deaf posts I’ve read in a while…and that’s saying something.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
yet all anyone talks about is pay scales lol
Quantity (of $$$ bills) has a quality all of it's own.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder
There was a time early in my stint here that a GS was a very rare event. Maybe over a major holiday by the top 5% in category. A full month of flying was 72-75 hours and yet captains could buy a new car with a 15th of the month paycheck. No games, no putting oneself on “reserve”. Great $$ AND quality of life.
Wish more felt this way.

Didn't seen a green slip here until year 8 or so. A only two for this year, and halfway through them I was wondering what the heck I was thinking.

Never felt pressured for cash.

Now it's all "don't touch my green slips, my reserve GS payback days, my PSC to pick up systemwide, and also overstaff the airline so if I don't feel like working I won't have to."
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Old 11-09-2022 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Now it's all "don't touch my green slips, my reserve GS payback days, my PSC to pick up systemwide, and also overstaff the airline so if I don't feel like working I won't have to."
The company took pay, pensions, medical, vacations, training, bidding, etc and squoze Max efficiency out of the pilots. There’s not much left and yet they still want more. At some point we have to stand up or there will be nothing left.

Im glad that some of us willing to pull the ladder back down and help out our brothers.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Wish more felt this way.

Didn't seen a green slip here until year 8 or so. A only two for this year, and halfway through them I was wondering what the heck I was thinking.

Never felt pressured for cash.

Now it's all "don't touch my green slips, my reserve GS payback days, my PSC to pick up systemwide, and also overstaff the airline so if I don't feel like working I won't have to."
Well that's just a lie.
"Don't change a system that penalizes management and rewards pilots for understaffing, and staff properly so PB days aren't an issue and reserves are in fact reserves" (noun
1. a supply of a commodity not needed for immediate use but available if required) is what you meant to say. That's the way it used to be was BBs argument, how did you miss that? Nothing has to change in the PWA to get back to that.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Yes, you are doing it wrong.…

Not everyone who does the reserve GS game is doing rolling thunder. Being able to drop PB days and break your reserve blocks up into single day blocks is a huge gain in QOL and negates the need for rolling thunder. Not everyone is searching for 180 hours, I'm quite content with getting my ~100 hours while flying less than 5 days/month.
If the ALV is around 72-75 hours, you’d have to have 4-5 GS days on your X days to make around 100 hours. Then you’d have to get every on call day off. You are a master bidder! And then to have them short staffed on your X days, but then so over staffed they don’t have to use you on any of your on call days. And you can be selective on which GS to take and they assign most everything the night before!
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
If the ALV is around 72-75 hours, you’d have to have 4-5 GS days on your X days to make around 100 hours. Then you’d have to get every on call day off. You are a master bidder! And then to have them short staffed on your X days, but then so over staffed they don’t have to use you on any of your on call days. And you can be selective on which GS to take and they assign most everything the night before!
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
change categories. This has been commonplace
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Old 11-09-2022 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
If the ALV is around 72-75 hours, you’d have to have 4-5 GS days on your X days to make around 100 hours. Then you’d have to get every on call day off. You are a master bidder! And then to have them short staffed on your X days, but then so over staffed they don’t have to use you on any of your on call days. And you can be selective on which GS to take and they assign most everything the night before!
My category isn’t remotely close to this gold mine.
ALV has nothing to do with it. They're so short staffed you just bid X days relative to your seniority. 3 on and 2 off works well. Then about the end of week 2 when GSs normally get to my seniority all the rest of my X days.
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