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11-09-2022 | 07:57 AM

#171

GogglesPisano

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From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns

With the way RES coverage is looking in my category banked PB days seem to be only worth 3:30/day.

11-09-2022 | 08:02 AM

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DeltaboundRedux

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

I would never do a greenslip on reserve if there weren't PB days. But I never pick up extra flying when I'm a line holder either. I like my days off and if I plan on doing greenslips, I specifically bid reserve. Days off > more money. To me, I realize everyone is different and has their own calculation.

Concise and honest description of the hows/whys of RES GS.

That said, if the current system goes away, and no one/large percentage of RES decline to pickup GS, the company will have to "staff the airline properly."

So which is it? Keep the current system so those who have the luck of the draw in base/equipment/seat get to slurp up all the $$$ and extra days off? Or have a "properly staffed airline".

Because it can't be both.

(FWIW, If I were in a category/seniority situation that gave me 4 months of rolling thunder every year, I wouldn't want any changes either. I'm not. Like you say, everyone has their own calculation.)

11-09-2022 | 08:02 AM

#173

MrBojangles

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

With the way RES coverage is looking in my category banked PB days seem to be only worth 3:30/day.

there are ways to use them and make a ton even if the whole month is black. See scheduling alerts.

11-09-2022 | 08:06 AM

#174

notEnuf

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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano

With the way RES coverage is looking in my category banked PB days seem to be only worth 3:30/day.

Same, but I have 2 IVDs and APD so I pickup the highest value 5 day and drop it. 5PBs = 29 hours or 5.8 per. That's not international great but it's way better than 17.5.

11-09-2022 | 08:08 AM

#175

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Originally Posted by Jonny Drama

I’ve seen a couple of Non LCA 220 As out west recently… Both were relatively junior fellas, 9xxx system wide, no lanyard either. You are seriously that jaded towards your union in your 5 long years here that you can’t participate in a little solidarity?? Or is it just apathy or cluelessness?

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Originally Posted by Scooter432

I’ve seen the same and heard a lot of this crowd’s reasoning is they are afraid to lose their jobs with a strike. They upgraded so fast and are living beyond their means. Strike means financial hardship for them.

Everyone needs to help educate one another on unity .

The 220 category is a bit of an odd culture. Most of the captains are junior and very thankful for the quick upgrade. A bit full of themselves and reluctant to bite the hand that fed them. Also "servant leadership" is strongly espoused to their LCAs and that culture definitely trickles down. They seem to think they're a little bit smarter, cleaner, and holier than the others. The 220 culture very much reminds me of the culture back at SkyWest.

11-09-2022 | 08:09 AM

#176

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Econ 101 - There is no such thing as a free lunch.

DL has ran so hot that the current GS system didn’t cover trips. If DL believes they can make the GS system less costly as a whole, and get the same coverage, I have my doubts. I could foresee GSWC becoming the new rolling thunder. Regardless, there will be repercussions across the pilot group -and- DL if this PB day change actually makes it through.

how about we allow the company to do GS, and super GS, and level 11 GS. Keep offering more money per ARCOS run until trips are covered. Why are we limited to 2x pay?

11-09-2022 | 08:09 AM

#177

GucciBoy

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Originally Posted by Trip7

I said several times to keep calm, wear your Lanyard and let the Union do the work. I'm calm and not letting this trial balloon incite me. Worthy of a civil discussion. Seems to be far closer to reality than other offers. If true, gives the Union a proper framework to work with, especially the full retro part

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Entertaining any rumor on a public forum is the opposite of “letting the union do the work”. Do you honestly not know better? You post as if you’re pretty educated on all things airline.

11-09-2022 | 08:12 AM

#178

LeineLodge

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From: DAL FO

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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux

So which is it? Keep the current system so those who have the luck of the draw in base/equipment/seat get to slurp up all the $$$ and extra days off? Or have a "properly staffed airline".

Because it can't be both.

(FWIW, If I were in a category/seniority situation that gave me 4 months of rolling thunder every year, I wouldn't want any changes either. I'm not. Like you say, everyone has their own calculation.)

It absolutely can be both, which is effectively what we have now.

IF they staff the airline properly then rolling thunder/banked PB’s cease to exist (both are anomalies historically speaking.) In this case reserves will fly on reserve days, the way nature intended, and far fewer GS’s will go out to anyone, REG or RES. The upside is much better scheduling flexibility re blue days for drops/swaps/etc.

IF they choose not to staff the airline properly they can pay for it by bleeding green. This is the current situation.

We do not have to give up PB days to have a properly staffed airline, and I would argue that doing so would allow them to just cut even further.

Short staffing is a management decision. Let them solve if if they wish by staffing the airline properly. No need for concessions.