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Old 11-09-2022 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Sounds like Management came to the table with a pay proposal including full retro that sets the framework to adjust other things:

DH: Change to United language
WS above trigger 150%: eliminate this. The Company is trying to get money back from the permanent reduction of the GS trigger
Holiday Pay: Adjust to 200% like AA. This past Thanksgiving you had to be SENIOR to work a trip over Thanksgiving at AA
Reroute: 200% for any reroute

You’ve said multiple times we need to just wear our lanyard and let the union do their job, yes?

Engaging on this lame trial balloon is not part of the above advice that you yourself have been doling out.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
You’ve said multiple times we need to just wear our lanyard and let the union do their job, yes?

Engaging on this lame trial balloon is not part of the above advice that you yourself have been doling out.
I said several times to keep calm, wear your Lanyard and let the Union do the work. I'm calm and not letting this trial balloon incite me. Worthy of a civil discussion. Seems to be far closer to reality than other offers. If true, gives the Union a proper framework to work with, especially the full retro part

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Old 11-09-2022 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Drama
I believe that is 6% in each of the past three years for retro purposes, therefore being a total of 18% ish date of signing.
So it would be 6% compounded each yoy?
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Old 11-09-2022 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
So it would be 6% compounded each yoy?
I don't think that's the 'supposed offer'. If it was, as illustrated above, that would result in a nearly 40% raise over the contract life, which would pass.

I agree with Trip, the good news in all this, if it's even real, is that the company is offering something back to amendable date. The C44 Comms have said the average just to keep up with inflation since amendable would need to be about 8%, so the offer of 6 is a pay cut - but it's a starting point which locks them into paying us our back wages we have earned.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonny Drama
Sweetin the pot a little and leave ALL GS and PB days alone and they are getting close.

Also, I have a line up in the middle of your quote answering the first one.
Exactly right, if the company doesn't like PB days, then staff the airline properly for what you want to fly, such that PB days are minimized, and the problem is solved & everyone is happy.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Exactly right, if the company doesn't like PB days, then staff the airline properly for what you want to fly, such that PB days are minimized, and the problem is solved & everyone is happy.
If they want more “productivity” and don’t like payback day system…lets start at 3.5x pay. I agree with you, no way I’m flying ALV+15, then flying res GS. Unfortunately for my junior/commuting friends, I’m taking a line, and the trips report late and end early. I’m taking control of my schedule if there’s no advantage to bidding reserve.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BCan
If they want more “productivity” and don’t like payback day system…lets start at 3.5x pay. I agree with you, no way I’m flying ALV+15, then flying res GS. Unfortunately for my junior/commuting friends, I’m taking a line, and the trips report late and end early. I’m taking control of my schedule if there’s no advantage to bidding reserve.
I bid reserve off and on. I bid reserve during vacation months like November and December. I can make 110-120 hours easily and hardly work compared to a line.

I will not do that if there are no PB days. It would be financially insane to purposefully bid reserve.
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Old 11-09-2022 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag
I bid reserve off and on. I bid reserve during vacation months like November and December. I can make 110-120 hours easily and hardly work compared to a line.

I will not do that if there are no PB days. It would be financially insane to purposefully bid reserve.
same here. write your reps. let's not let this thing even get out for us to vote it down
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Old 11-09-2022 | 05:47 AM
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I’ll say bye-bye to PB days if they give us PSC. I mean, c’mon, I don’t bid reserve so it doesn’t affect me……just like PSC doesn’t help guys choosing to live in base, right? So what do I care?
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Old 11-09-2022 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by igotgummed
I’ll say bye-bye to PB days if they give us PSC. I mean, c’mon, I don’t bid reserve so it doesn’t affect me……just like PSC doesn’t help guys choosing to live in base, right? So what do I care?
give me two options…sign up for one…and I’m interested…

1) PSC for pilot
2) 3 pos space tickets to anywhere for pass riders.
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