Nonstop Negotiations
11-08-2022 | 10:14 AM
#72
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Joined: Nov 2010
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From: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
need at least United deadhead rules
reserve GS come on man
retro has to include retired pilots
Does the Endeavor proposal sound like a B scale to anyone else?
Last edited by Klondike Bear; 11-08-2022 at 10:26 AM.
11-08-2022 | 10:20 AM
#73
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Joined: May 2012
Posts: 643
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The no PB for reserve GS is a huge no even if the rest of it is good. That will affect everyone on the list more than you can imagine-even regular line holders. It's also stupid for the company because reserves will not GS anymore.
11-08-2022 | 10:30 AM
#74
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Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 356
Likes: 14
From: 75/76, C-5
Is the 18/5/5/5 18% DOS then 5% 1 Jan 23? That leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation...GS rules cant change or it'll be a huge no from the pilot group...Didn't stuff like this start getting let loose right before we magically had a TA in 2015 & 2016? Let's not let a few areas blind us from what else may be in the hiding.
Mongo
Mongo
11-08-2022 | 10:33 AM
#76
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Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 637
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From: Stretch DC-9 Gear Slinger
Is the 18/5/5/5 18% DOS then 5% 1 Jan 23? That leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation...GS rules cant change or it'll be a huge no from the pilot group...Didn't stuff like this start getting let loose right before we magically had a TA in 2015 & 2016? Let's not let a few areas blind us from what else may be in the hiding.
Mongo
Mongo
11-08-2022 | 10:38 AM
#77
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Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
Is the 18/5/5/5 18% DOS then 5% 1 Jan 23? That leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation...GS rules cant change or it'll be a huge no from the pilot group...Didn't stuff like this start getting let loose right before we magically had a TA in 2015 & 2016? Let's not let a few areas blind us from what else may be in the hiding.
Mongo
Mongo
11-08-2022 | 10:51 AM
#78
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 564
Likes: 0
From: LAX 350 A
Should be C2K rates adjusted for inflation to start. Okay, we MIGHT not get a 72% increase.
Full retro to amendable date (12/31/19).
Pay increases at X% or inflation + Y%, whichever is greater. The company will increase ticket prices to keep up with inflation.
25% DC contribution with MBCB plan.
Undecided on res GS. I’m on res and will be for a while.
Deadhead same as UA.
Free medical.
PS commuting but not a deal killer for me.
Full retro to amendable date (12/31/19).
Pay increases at X% or inflation + Y%, whichever is greater. The company will increase ticket prices to keep up with inflation.
25% DC contribution with MBCB plan.
Undecided on res GS. I’m on res and will be for a while.
Deadhead same as UA.
Free medical.
PS commuting but not a deal killer for me.
11-08-2022 | 11:00 AM
#79
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 87
Likes: 3
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
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