Nonstop Negotiations
11-08-2022 | 12:29 PM
#91
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Sounds like Management came to the table with a pay proposal including full retro that sets the framework to adjust other things:
DH: Change to United language
WS above trigger 150%: eliminate this. The Company is trying to get money back from the permanent reduction of the GS trigger
Holiday Pay: Adjust to 200% like AA. This past Thanksgiving you had to be SENIOR to work a trip over Thanksgiving at AA
Reroute: 200% for any reroute
DH: Change to United language
WS above trigger 150%: eliminate this. The Company is trying to get money back from the permanent reduction of the GS trigger
Holiday Pay: Adjust to 200% like AA. This past Thanksgiving you had to be SENIOR to work a trip over Thanksgiving at AA
Reroute: 200% for any reroute
11-08-2022 | 12:44 PM
#92
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And I'm not advocating for people to not go back to the hat when this is all over, btw. I'm just saying, the sentiment among many seems to be, they're done with it for good. It is refreshing to ditch that one additional accessory, that is for sure.
At least the jacket does keep you insulated in the 35-55 degree temperature range. That hat does nothing.
A company jacket like a North Face shell would be nice.
I'll wear the horse blanket until the union says otherwise.
I don't think the public cares one iota about that hat. They want two pilots to walk up to their gate that don't look like slobs.
At least the jacket does keep you insulated in the 35-55 degree temperature range. That hat does nothing.
A company jacket like a North Face shell would be nice.
I'll wear the horse blanket until the union says otherwise.
I don't think the public cares one iota about that hat. They want two pilots to walk up to their gate that don't look like slobs.
11-08-2022 | 12:57 PM
#93
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I disagree with you. Here's the issue...if PB days go away reserves will be flying their butts off on reserve days. Nobody is going to want to pick up a trip for double pay in addition to flying a full reserve schedule of the crap trips people have dropped (speaking from a NB pilot point of view). Why side with the company on this? It's a massive concession.
11-08-2022 | 01:07 PM
#94
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IF this is real, it's just throwing a bit of money at us to take work rule concessions. Also there are probably more concessions when you look at the entirety of the deal. Once again, IF this is even real. Take it all with a grain of salt until we see actual language in a TA.
11-08-2022 | 01:07 PM
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I don’t think it will be any different either, you’re right. When I was a new hire I didn’t know much about green slips while flying reserve and thought they were double pay and threw my name in the hat for greenslips on reserve making that assumption. I like the payback day thing of course now if on reserve but in the end I avoid being on reserve anyway. In fact I am staying away from greenslips right now and just focusing on QOL.
11-08-2022 | 01:12 PM
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IF this is real, it's just throwing a bit of money at us to take work rule concessions. Also there are probably more concessions when you look at the entirety of the deal. Once again, IF this is even real. Take it all with a grain of salt until we see actual language in a TA.
11-08-2022 | 01:13 PM
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Regional pilots have one advantage over us: they can vote with their feet. All of these contracts are happening because majors and LCC's started drying up the regionals. I heard from a F9 union guy their last pay increase negotiations pre-covid were prompted by too many guys no-showing day 1 during Indoc. Nothing is gonna put the fire under the company's butt like pilots choosing anywhere else over us.
As an ULCC pilot i can attest that you all are the boogeyman for our management. The only reason our founder and chairman of the BOD is negotiating directly with our MEC is because pilots are leaving for the big 4 in droves. And yes you read that correctly, our largest shareholder and chairman of the BOD is flying his private jet to meet with our Union chairman (ALPA's version of an MEC).
11-08-2022 | 01:19 PM
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I don’t think it will be any different either, you’re right. When I was a new hire I didn’t know much about green slips while flying reserve and thought they were double pay and threw my name in the hat for greenslips on reserve making that assumption. I like the payback day thing of course now if on reserve but in the end I avoid being on reserve anyway. In fact I am staying away from greenslips right now and just focusing on QOL.
This no pb day thing if allowed would be disastrous for many who use reserve green slips to work less and get paid more. There’s no way in hell I’d work a full month of reserve credit AND pick up more flying on top of that. Res and reg green slips are not the same and I’d be a single issue no vote if they tried to make them look alike. The life of a res pilot would be miserable and crew resources would continue to min run the operation. The pb day is one of the few tools we have to make it hurt when we run hot and needs to stay that way to discourage further staffing blunders. Don’t go trying to solve their manning problems for them.
11-08-2022 | 01:24 PM
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This no pb day thing if allowed would be disastrous for many who use reserve green slips to work less and get paid more. There’s no way in hell I’d work a full month of reserve credit AND pick up more flying on top of that. Res and reg green slips are not the same and I’d be a single issue no vote if they tried to make them look alike. The life of a res pilot would be miserable and crew resources would continue to min run the operation. The pb day is one of the few tools we have to make it hurt when we run hot and needs to stay that way to discourage further staffing blunders. Don’t go trying to solve their manning problems for them.
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