Nonstop Negotiations
11-08-2022 | 06:57 AM
#51
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Haha….if you say so.
1) Delta was giving theNorthwest guys crap for showing up to training with jeans.
2) CQC mentions wearing your uniform when dealing with customers. In bold the say “including your hat”
3) I thought this was urban legend until I heard it myself twice: “We are the best pilots because of our uniform”
4) We are universally known for being business casual hardcore for jumpseaters.
They care more than you see. Now stand up for yourself a little bit.
1) Delta was giving theNorthwest guys crap for showing up to training with jeans.
2) CQC mentions wearing your uniform when dealing with customers. In bold the say “including your hat”
3) I thought this was urban legend until I heard it myself twice: “We are the best pilots because of our uniform”
4) We are universally known for being business casual hardcore for jumpseaters.
They care more than you see. Now stand up for yourself a little bit.
I love when pilots claim "im gonna wear my hat because not doing it isn't doing anything ".
How do you know?
(not you cornbee, the original poster)
11-08-2022 | 06:57 AM
#52
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Wear the hat if you want or don’t wear it if that’s your preference. I won’t judge you on that single attribute and I ask you not to judge me.
I’m fairly new to this game and unions but I’ll support the team to the best of my ability. EB doesn’t seem like the kind to be influenced by our campaigns until it shows a clear impact on the numbers. That’s just business. I just hope his negotiating strategy does not cause irreparable harm to those of us who will be here long after he has cashed out with his millions.
-Bo
I’m fairly new to this game and unions but I’ll support the team to the best of my ability. EB doesn’t seem like the kind to be influenced by our campaigns until it shows a clear impact on the numbers. That’s just business. I just hope his negotiating strategy does not cause irreparable harm to those of us who will be here long after he has cashed out with his millions.
-Bo
11-08-2022 | 07:06 AM
#53
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From: Representing the REAL Delta
Wear the hat if you want or don’t wear it if that’s your preference. I won’t judge you on that single attribute and I ask you not to judge me.
I’m fairly new to this game and unions but I’ll support the team to the best of my ability. EB doesn’t seem like the kind to be influenced by our campaigns until it shows a clear impact on the numbers. That’s just business. I just hope his negotiating strategy does not cause irreparable harm to those of us who will be here long after he has cashed out with his millions.
-Bo
I’m fairly new to this game and unions but I’ll support the team to the best of my ability. EB doesn’t seem like the kind to be influenced by our campaigns until it shows a clear impact on the numbers. That’s just business. I just hope his negotiating strategy does not cause irreparable harm to those of us who will be here long after he has cashed out with his millions.
-Bo
Do they mention the cataclysmic irreparable harm that would have befallen us and the entire industry if TA1 would have passed in 2015?
11-08-2022 | 07:12 AM
#54
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From: Widget Jet
And that’s why we have less leverage…. Those who don’t support the suggestions from our leadership undermine about the only leverage we have. Solidarity. Those who are individuals have no place in my union. Just stop paying dues and go away.
11-08-2022 | 08:53 AM
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From: MD88
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
11-08-2022 | 08:58 AM
#59
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Joined: Jun 2008
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From: LAX 350 A
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
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