Nonstop Negotiations
11-08-2022 | 09:01 AM
#61
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,401
Likes: 473
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
the nos for me would be pay, I’d need at the very least 20% DOS, retro too low, and hard hard no is the reserve GS change. That is the only thing punishing them for staffing at redline. If they staffed categories appropriately rolling thunder would never be a thing.
11-08-2022 | 09:03 AM
#62
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
From: A somewhere
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
11-08-2022 | 09:20 AM
#64
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,148
Likes: 562
From: Pilot
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
11-08-2022 | 09:28 AM
#65
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 1,105
Likes: 6
From: 737 A
11-08-2022 | 09:31 AM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 2,941
Likes: 213
From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
11-08-2022 | 09:52 AM
#68
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 169
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
11-08-2022 | 09:59 AM
#69
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,320
Likes: 814
From: N60.4858 W149.9327
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
thanks for the laugh
11-08-2022 | 10:06 AM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,876
Likes: 193
Any truth to this? I’m not on chit chat.
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
On chit chat:
Contract AIP Details and Direction in the works
Pay: 18% 5% 5% 5%
Retro: 6% per year from 2019 so 3 years, Still trying to figure out if called a bonus or Retro Pay. Not much support for payments to retired pilots but still up in the air.
Retirement: No changes other then some 401K excess funding of a MPP Plan still in the works but very little funding from Co. going into plan.
Deadhead: Best seat advl: Meaning Isle or window Intl: remains unchanged.
Perdeim: .25 increase Dom .45 Intl
Green Slip and Overtime: 1.5 for hours over monthly average WS of designated trips. GS RES paid as Line holder no day off returned. Still being worked out.
Holiday Pay: Parity with Flt Attendants 1.5 for trips over designated holidays.
SCOPE: I will put it this way, There is a reason you haven't seen it yet and it's not that they are working on the New Finial Language. Basically barely protects the Intl. flying we have now. And it clears out the Grievances for the KAL Violations of the past and present with a minimal payment. Need a decent AIP to wash the details of this SCOPE deal out so it's not looked at very hard.
Profit Sharing: No Changes to current, (Thank god, this time around they are not Trading it away for average pay raises like the Moakster's did in the past).
Endeavor Proposal in the works: Trying to Ink out a agreement regarding Hiring through Endeavor or some kind of Hybrid staple program for current pilots. Pilots hired through Delta assigned positions at EDV 3 year freeze similar to propel. Being discussed due to turnover at EDV costing a ton in training and affecting our operation. Different ideals being kicked around but with losses of 120 Captains a month there is a strong desire to stem that loss. FWIW
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