Originally Posted by sailingfun

Dont forget that the DC plan was initially targeted to pay a far greater percentage to junior pilots because senior pilots had the frozen DB plan. When the DB was terminated those senior pilots were never made whole as promised by retargeting the plan.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Can you update that for those of us who must have missed it?

I recall the R&I Chairman did it once.

Originally Posted by mikea72580

Even Better. We are 3 years into negotiations, in mediation, with a strike vote complete, and DALPA is just NOW polling Min Balances.

Originally Posted by interceptorpilo

Don’t forget the Note & Claim and PBGC payments either that pilots got as part of the bankruptcy.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

In the past we have tried to negotiate provisions that benefit ALL Delta pilots EQUALLY. I do not understand the political support for the special deal for preferred Delta pilots. It isn't free money. This is a shift from junior pilots to senior pilots.

Originally Posted by 1Bob

Furlough protection
1st year pay
PSC
virtual bases
reserve rules

None of these things are of any benefit to me. Do I care if we spend negotiating capital on them? Actually I do. If I expect a contract to pass that benefits me, it is also going to have to benefit brothers who work along side me but who don't live under the same circumstances I do.

Just bring me a package. Let me digest it. Let me hear some Pros and Cons from some adults [ not "it's mine", "no, its mine!"]. I don't plan to vote so somebody else gets a good deal, I plan to vote for a package that gets what a significant majority of us decide is a good deal overall for our individual circumstances. If somebody gets furlough protection, good for them.

1Bob = 1 vote.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Someone sent me their numbers:

Stock $141,760
PBGC $6,800 Monthly, $9,900 if deferred to age 65 (?)
MPPP contract value $1,700 per month, but there was a distribution of $96,000

He stated his were about 20% lower than most around his seniority.

FWIW the FedEx defined benefit plan caps at $130/yr which is about $10,833 a month. Not far off what this pilots PBGC is at age 65.

He wasn't in a place to explain all of this to me. I am ***NOT*** an expert on this stuff. Open to corrections.

Originally Posted by boog123

Why are you suddenly all butt hurt about retirement and what’s fair. Yes, you were hired kinda late and your seniority won’t be what you would probably like. By your own methods, you should be fine with all your skills, side hustle.

one minute your *****ing all over SM about OOBWS’s, yet nothing to Trip, who makes them his contract tool.

you seem to totally have an agenda. Perhaps that’s the side hustle. Firm coin coming in?

Originally Posted by Softheborder

$300,000 “plus up” may be the current ask..but in the 2019 opener it was $1,000,000 AND they wanted to fund it by drastically reducing the DC % for newhires for years. Think it couldn’t happen??? It’s EXACTLY what NWA did to their Junior Pilots in bankruptcy. The Junior/Newhires got 2-3% DC while those Senior “more deserving I put in my dues super premium widebody Captains”…raking in 18-20% DC. Thankfully must of the deadzoners took the VEOP. I agree with the OP….why are we wasting negotiating capital on a MCBP min balance. I place most of the blame for the Company laughing us out of room and walking out squarely on the minority Deadzoners who were VERY organized, active and controlled the MEC and drove the ask sooooo far outside the ZOR that here we are 3 years later & no contract. All this insanity about C2004 plus inflation AND 25% DC AND Lump Sum plus up….and we’ve gotten exactly nothing. 63% of all Delta pilots have never had a pay cut…we have only had pay raises….up until C2919 when the Deadzoners stopped the music….and they continue to with Full Retro blah blah blah….so the Veops can cash in. I’ll take an extra % in rates and a “signing bonus” equal to full retro and screw the Veops who have held things up and continue to do so. I’ll get excoriated for this post. The Chit Chat crowd will stroke out but I don’t GAS…

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The Delta pilots will benefit from progress in negotiations. I have no control over the company side. The union side represents us. If a special interest has hijacked and stopped negotiations then we need to attempt to refocus our representatives on the progress that will benefit ALL Delta pilots.

Curious to see where everyone else is on this and learn from the input of others.

Why are you so intensely focused on "who," conspiracy theories and character assassination? A weird obsession you have.

I am one of 14,500 opinions around here.

Originally Posted by boog123

Lets just say I’ve seen you operate and I’m
not impressed. Interesting there wasn’t a denial there.