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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:05 AM
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This goes back to my point that politics isn't the answer to the RLA. It's law and there's no real energy to change it. We need to address this individually in our contracts. E-S-C-A-L-A-T-O-R vvvvvvvvv
never happen. Management would be stupid to agree to it and under the RLA it will never happen.

IMHO labor leaders need to run Dr. Martin Luther King’s detailed play book.

If we do not stand up and challenge the RLA, it ain’t changing.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:06 AM
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Sounds like he actually owns you, and a few others here too.

Denial.

It’s the first symptom of TDS. Seek help.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:49 AM
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/rail-strike-why-the-railroads-wont-give-in-on-paid-leave-psr-precision-scheduled-railroading.html

I rarely post on the weighty stuff as I often feel out of my depth having come to the 121 world as a second career in my late 40’s and as admittedly not as up to speed on labor-management relations as I should be. That being said, I am fairly well versed on process improvement. Lots of Lean Six Sigma work in mil aviation later applied with success in the energy industry.

I’m struck by the parallels between the railroads and us, particularly by the discussion in this article on P.S.R. or “Precision Scheduled Railroading” which really reads a lot like our “Optimizer”. I’m also struck by the authors posit on its theoretical benefit vs it’s real world failures when encountering disruption (insert IROP). These efficiency initiatives are at their core based on Goldratt’s “Theory Of Constraints”, Toyota’s “Lean Manufacturing” and “Just In Time Manufacturing”. They can be very effective in stable manufacturing/production centric systems but in our very dynamic system, not quite. And they most certainly do not benefit either the laborer or for that matter the end consumer. The shareholder and executive class, a resounding yes.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MooseMuss
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/rail-strike-why-the-railroads-wont-give-in-on-paid-leave-psr-precision-scheduled-railroading.html

I rarely post on the weighty stuff as I often feel out of my depth having come to the 121 world as a second career in my late 40’s and as admittedly not as up to speed on labor-management relations as I should be. That being said, I am fairly well versed on process improvement. Lots of Lean Six Sigma work in mil aviation later applied with success in the energy industry.

I’m struck by the parallels between the railroads and us, particularly by the discussion in this article on P.S.R. or “Precision Scheduled Railroading” which really reads a lot like our “Optimizer”. I’m also struck by the authors posit on its theoretical benefit vs it’s real world failures when encountering disruption (insert IROP). These efficiency initiatives are at their core based on Goldratt’s “Theory Of Constraints”, Toyota’s “Lean Manufacturing” and “Just In Time Manufacturing”. They can be very effective in stable manufacturing/production centric systems but in our very dynamic system, not quite. And they most certainly do not benefit either the laborer or for that matter the end consumer. The shareholder and executive class, a resounding yes.
Great points and comparison. Very much the same.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
never happen. Management would be stupid to agree to it and under the RLA it will never happen.

IMHO labor leaders need to run Dr. Martin Luther King’s detailed play book.

If we do not stand up and challenge the RLA, it ain’t changing.
We already have and had a more effective escalator but we chose to water it down to virtually be ineffective. Now is the time. The RLA is a century old and has just proven its worth to both parties. Legislative reform is the futile approach. Especially with a divided congress. Our resolve as individual bargaining entities will determine if we are to repeat the cycle endlessly. Our current environment is as good as it gets.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
This goes back to my point that politics isn't the answer to the RLA. It's law and there's no real energy to change it. We need to address this individually in our contracts. E-S-C-A-L-A-T-O-R vvvvvvvvv
You need to press that issue on your next contact cause it ain't happening in this one.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
You need to press that issue on your next contact cause it ain't happening in this one.
We all get one vote and it was part of our opener. Anyone with contracts ahead of them in their career and TVM perspective knows this is a must. Not to mention or retro rabbit hole.
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