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Old 11-29-2022 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
All I want for Christmas is more politics on APC
Well at THIS point in the RLA process it is POLITICAL. One of the few times politics has a place in the discussion.
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Old 11-29-2022 | 03:45 PM
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That whole small, limited government thing seems to apply according to a few:

"The railways & workers should go back & negotiate a deal that the workers,not just the union bosses,will accept," Rubio tweeted on Tuesday. "But if Congress is forced to do it,I will not vote to impose a deal that doesn't have the support of the rail workers."

—Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) November 29, 2022

The lack of sick leave in the deal has elicited pushback from workers and politicians alike. Ro Khanna, a Democratic representative from California, tweeted on Tuesday: "Am I missing something here? Why wouldn't the rail companies just allow workers to have paid sick days? The new agreement only gives them 1. That's absurd. We need to stand with workers. This is not complicated."

And the other side of the fence:

"As a proud pro-labor President, I am reluctant to override the ratification procedures and the views of those who voted against the agreement," Biden said. "But in this case – where the economic impact of a shutdown would hurt millions of other working people and families – I believe Congress must use its powers to adopt this deal."

https://www.businessinsider.com/marc...strike-2022-11
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Old 11-29-2022 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
A “post-PEB Congressional intervention” requires Congress to pass a special law applicable specifically to this dispute that says whatever Congress wants it to say. It could impose the terms of the TA some of the unions rejected, it could extend the status quo, etc. It’s made into law in the same way as any other law. It’s done entirely outside of the RLA.
Interesting.

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Old 11-29-2022 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewbronski
A “post-PEB Congressional intervention” requires Congress to pass a special law applicable specifically to this dispute that says whatever Congress wants it to say. It could impose the terms of the TA some of the unions rejected, it could extend the status quo, etc. It’s made into law in the same way as any other law. It’s done entirely outside of the RLA.
Or Congress could pass whatever the heck they want to. Remember, this is a "national emergency!" What better avenue to add on globs of spending for [insert special favors and pet projects]. Shoot ... this lame duck Congress could put through yet another $Trillion bill.

Sure, it will have a catchy name ... something like the GREAT Act (Getting Railroads Excellent Arbitration Today); but it probably will be loaded with pork, like all "infrastructure" and "emergency" legislation.

Color me cynical.

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Old 11-29-2022 | 04:00 PM
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Amazing how childish this thread is. Stupid names that make one wonder where the bad man hurt you. The guy is a sleaze all, but many agreed with his policies. I don’t even like the guy, but this thread alone gives credence to the term TDS; maybe there really is such a thing. Extremes on any side do nobody any good. I don’t think he surrounded him selves by geniuses, and in most cases he shot himself in the foot by opening his mouth. But then on the other side here you have a claim using government statistics to “prove” that R’s are so much worse than D’s because of unemployment, job creation and budget deficits. That kind of logic is so laughable and those using it could certainly get a position as WH Press Secretary. Yeah, Obama created all of those jobs after the biggest crash since the 30’s that saw millions of jobs lost b4 his term. Just like Biden the big hero for everything after COVID lockdowns ceased. It’s scary that someone so obtuse and unable to read and interpret data would be allowed to fly a plane. Both sides are corrupt and the only difference is the speed at which they take us to Hell.
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Old 11-29-2022 | 08:05 PM
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But then on the other side here you have a claim using government statistics to “prove” that R’s are so much worse than D’s because of unemployment, job creation and budget deficits.
The only person that said anybody was “worse” per say was vyper. 60 years of hard data do not support that assertion. Honestly it’s probably a wash, but to just say it, without doing any research, and be able to be refuted so easily by open source data regarding all of the above attributes, completely debases your argument. It’s just not true. You may want a “truth”, but you need real data to back it up. Not an op-Ed from fox or cnn
Stop the lies from both sides. Be suspect of everything you here from a money driven media. There is a middle ground
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Old 11-30-2022 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
This is your brain on partisan Kool aid.
Prove me wrong. K thanks.
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Old 11-30-2022 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
Here is mister centrist again spouting democrat propaganda while claiming to be rational.
Please explain, in detail how any of the statistical data I related was false. Just because you want something to be true does not make it so.

Honestly I don’t really care, but I thought “hmmmm that’s a pretty bold statement to say that one party unilaterally outperformed the other in economics”.

Couple of .gov statistics later and boom….totally different picture. The guy talks about mental stability or some such nonsense, but didn’t even have the sense to question such a sweeping statement. It’s Ridiculous, and everyone should cry havoc or we will never be able to heal and move forward.

If some dem was on here making idiotic statements like this, I would expect and applaud as you tear them apart with facts.

#stopthepropoganda

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Old 11-30-2022 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
This is your brain on partisan Kool aid.
Lol. Is this some sort of pot meets kettle moment?
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Old 11-30-2022 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Serious question:

Anyone know if it’s just the House who imposes contracts on labor groups governed by the RLA at this stage, or does it take both chambers?

Congress is out of session (barring an emergency session) until the new Congress convenes next year.

Hard to imagine Team X taking the heat on this when they can just pawn it off to Team Y next year.

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The public hasn’t seen an RLA governed strike in a long time. However it plays out will set public and Congressional expectations for any pilot groups going down that road.
It would require a Joint Resolution of Congress and then approval from the President for this to happen. So both the House and Senate would need to pass it.
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