20-something Year Old Widebody Capts
01-23-2023, 01:25 PM
#101
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,671
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
This is the way.
All meetings between the Lead FA, Redcoat and CA are in the cockpit behind the closed door. The final decision is always the CA's. As long as you follow the FOM you're covered.
I always give the pax one last opportunity to repent and I speak to them face to face. I feel I owe it to him/her. This meeting will be in the jetway with their bags away from cameras so that it is evident to them that they are hanging by a thread.
The FA's don't make the call. I've had one say, "It's me or the pax." After following the process and deciding to keep the passenger on board, I asked that FA if she still wants to come with us, if not we can find a replacement.
All meetings between the Lead FA, Redcoat and CA are in the cockpit behind the closed door. The final decision is always the CA's. As long as you follow the FOM you're covered.
I always give the pax one last opportunity to repent and I speak to them face to face. I feel I owe it to him/her. This meeting will be in the jetway with their bags away from cameras so that it is evident to them that they are hanging by a thread.
The FA's don't make the call. I've had one say, "It's me or the pax." After following the process and deciding to keep the passenger on board, I asked that FA if she still wants to come with us, if not we can find a replacement.
Damn Mandalorian gif wouldn’t upload
01-23-2023, 01:28 PM
#102
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 3
Im laughing as I read all these comments. You know whats scary? 18 year old A&Ps with zero prior experience performing your pre departure checks. Im pretty sure the younger pilots transitioning to the left seat will do just fine.
01-23-2023, 01:48 PM
#103
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,987
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
True. But unlike any previous time in history, social media has made it a million times worse. And the younger generation seems to be enamored by FakeBook, Twitworld, Instacrap, and TikTock. I guess you can argue the older generation made these platforms for the younger generation and got them hooked like a drug / dopine.
I've never seen discourse be so heated, spiteful, and a general desire to want to get someone in trouble and/or fired merely because they have a view that you one might find opposing or awful.
I've never seen discourse be so heated, spiteful, and a general desire to want to get someone in trouble and/or fired merely because they have a view that you one might find opposing or awful.
01-23-2023, 02:03 PM
#107
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,336
Originally Posted by PilotBases
I don’t know any millennial or Gen Z still using Facebook or Twitter. That’s so 2012.
01-23-2023, 02:04 PM
#108
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,232
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
This is the way.
All meetings between the Lead FA, Redcoat and CA are in the cockpit behind the closed door. The final decision is always the CA's. As long as you follow the FOM you're covered.
I always give the pax one last opportunity to repent and I speak to them face to face. I feel I owe it to him/her. This meeting will be in the jetway with their bags away from cameras so that it is evident to them that they are hanging by a thread.
The FA's don't make the call. I've had one say, "It's me or the pax." After following the process and deciding to keep the passenger on board, I asked that FA if she still wants to come with us, if not we can find a replacement.
All meetings between the Lead FA, Redcoat and CA are in the cockpit behind the closed door. The final decision is always the CA's. As long as you follow the FOM you're covered.
I always give the pax one last opportunity to repent and I speak to them face to face. I feel I owe it to him/her. This meeting will be in the jetway with their bags away from cameras so that it is evident to them that they are hanging by a thread.
The FA's don't make the call. I've had one say, "It's me or the pax." After following the process and deciding to keep the passenger on board, I asked that FA if she still wants to come with us, if not we can find a replacement.
Our lawyers are very clear on the way to handle this situation, it is spelled out in the FOM as well.
Lead FA ---> Red Coat/CRO ---> meet with Capt in private ---> convene the SRT or CST. They will tell you what the course of action is. If you fervently are bent on not having them on your jet, yes then you can communicate that back to the ATL. They will respect you call.
As a captain, if you decide to interject yourself as you describe to meet the pax inperson; you've lost protection. The red coats/CRO/police will handle the removal, not you, if that is the direction of the company (thru their direction or yours)
Our lawyers will tell you this flat out: the judge will ask them one question "Did Capt Goggles follow company procedure?" Our lawyers will say either yes or no. If yes, you're GTG. If no, there's not much they can do to help you out.
This is directly from our head of legal at DAL.
So, "IF" you want to go your route Goggles, I would do it with much, much caution. You are effectively "off our reservation" at that time of the person to person meeting and hanging it out there to get whacked.
01-23-2023, 02:10 PM
#109
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,336
Crossed the pond in my early 20's both military and civilian. Easiest flying I've ever done. Takes a little more pre-flight preparation and reading on different procedures. As a PIC, it is fundamentally easier: You have an issue in the middle of the ocean? You got contingency plans already mapped out, less options so it's quantitatively easier to make a choice, and you have hours to run through procedures and plans for landing while you make it to your destination. As far as normal flying, you got 5+ hours over the ocean to read up on company pages and theatre-specific info if you absolutely didn't prepare at all. Stop trying to make it sound like rocket surgery in order to make yourself feel better/ more skilled. Plenty of great and garbage pilots in every age bracket.
01-23-2023, 02:21 PM
#110
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Position: Boeing Necromancer
Posts: 82
Originally Posted by jetfixr
Im laughing as I read all these comments. You know whats scary? 18 year old A&Ps with zero prior experience performing your pre departure checks. Im pretty sure the younger pilots transitioning to the left seat will do just fine.
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